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Why would they want to appear neutral? All news reporting, no matter what, is inherently biased in some way. There isn’t some “ideal” where that isn’t the case. There can’t be some magical font of unbiased information because just selecting what stories to put on the front page introduces bias.

News can’t be unbiased and being unbiased was never a goal. News is meant to inform, which includes facts as well as analysis. That seemingly the average American doesn’t understand that is a failure of the education system.



> Why would they want to appear neutral? All news reporting, no matter what, is inherently biased in some way. There isn’t some “ideal” where that isn’t the case. There can’t be some magical font of unbiased information because just selecting what stories to put on the front page introduces bias.

Sure, but just because you can't be perfectly unbiased doesn't mean the only alternative is to become a mouthpiece for a political party.


That just isn't true. It is possible to be unbiased in journalism, and it was a major goal of journalists at various times in history. Obviously not all journalists at all times have striven towards this goal, but some have. Stop making excuses for blatant partisanship, instead hold them to a higher standard.


> "to be unbiased in journalism"

By no means. Word choice on its own __is__ a bias. Even if you reported straight facts, the word choice used presents a bias or not. Is it a military action or a terrorist attack? Is it a protest? An occupation? Are they Freedom Fighters?

Choosing __to__ or __not to__ use an organization's given name or a description of them, is having a bias.

Choosing to report on something at all is a presentation of bias.

There is bias in everything and to imagine there isn't is to be even more susceptible to it.


That pretentious “above the fray” belief some news orgs and reporters have is awful and harmful.

NYT is particularly guilty of that behavior.

How one contextualizes a story and presents the attention grabbing headline puts a massive thumb on the scale of how the topic is perceived.

Because of what the article mentions or doesn’t mention, provides context for or no context for, the exact same core story centerpiece is biased and leading. Any impression the author wants to convey is easy to bring out in the “neutral” writing. This is simply a fact of writing.

And yet some reporters and news orgs, like the NYT, profess they are neutral observers as if from the planet zorg recording a miraculous unbiased story.

No, that is impossible and everyone knows it. Claiming to be neutral is gas lighting.


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That’s fair enough, but you should consider that a news source might be biased toward facts and empathy and still might endorse a candidate.


>But the newspaper could be biased towards facts, moderate speech and empathy to all parties.

literally zero semantic meaning to be found in this word salad


> Why would they want to appear neutral? [...] There isn’t some “ideal”

Getting some notion of what USA politics are like on HN, I can understand why you'd have this viewpoint, but I don't think it's true

The news I am used to, I couldn't tell you what political color it has. The selection they make seems based on the perceived severity, which certainly means there is a selection process that must be introducing some sort of bias, but as near as I can tell, this bias is towards a shared humanity and not a party

Perhaps I am just naïve, so I opened the local Wikipedia and it has no mention of them being accused of having a bias, political coloring or selection, notable omissions, or any such thing

I disagree strongly with the party for hate and egocentricity having come out as the biggest one in the most recent election, and to a lesser extent with the rich people be rich party from the previous ~decade, so it's not like all noses are pointed in the same direction where I'm from; but I couldn't tell you how this organization (the default thing if you turn on your TV at prime time) feels about any particular party beyond that I expect they would condemn hate and violence in general -- shared humanity, basically.


You’re suggesting there’s no difference between journalism that attempts objectivity and outright political advocacy which is clearly false. Perfect neutrality doesn’t exist, we can even get into a discussion of what knowledge is, that doesn’t mean news outlets don’t have an obligation to try. They did in decades past which is evident from a review of older journalism.


What older journalism are you talking about? Cold War era Cronkite? The era of endless red scares and other very obviously biased behavior?

WaPo has been giving out endorsements since the 70s. The era you’re pining for never existed.




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