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Force is only one of many methods to achieve certain outcomes, not all methods that could achieve the same general outcome are known, very little cognitive effort is put into searching for alternatives, leaving few options other than speculation if one is obligated to form a conclusion on the matter.



All deliberate actions to achieve certain outcomes are "force", it is a scale not a binary option.


I am skeptical, let's run an experiment and see what the response is:

Is feeding the homeless so they are not hungry "force"?

Is lending a compassionate ear to someone suffering so they may feel a bit better "force"?

Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"?


>Is making myself a nice sandwich and watching a movie because I find it pleasant "force"?

To the chicken, turkey, pig, or cow that died to make the meat in your sandwich, definitely yes.


the mental gymnastics it took to write this hot take must be "force" too


At least there is a logical path in that claim (if we ignore that I didn't specify that there was meat in the sandwich...I do eat a lot of plain tomato sandwiches, but not exclusively, so I do to some degree drive demand for animal slaughter)!

I think it's kind of neat that we got from Palantir to sandwiches... I wonder if Palantir's software supports mapping metaphysical causality like this, because bizarre metaphysical causality is the root cause of war in the first place!


You're the one who directly took us from Palantir to sandwiches, in a clear attempt to distract from the core subject of manipulating humans on a mass scale without using "force"


Guilty as charged.

Do you think this is necessarily a bad thing?


What's the opportunity cost on watching a movie with a sandwich over 'continuing research to help cure cancer?'

You're forcing people to endure cancer while enjoying a sandwich and a movie.


Are you suggesting that I am a cancer researcher (I'm quite sure I'm not), or that a cure for cancer hasn't been found because researchers are lazy?




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