I think the communication barrier here is that in JavaScript, framework very distinctly means things like React, Vue, Angular, and so on. It definitely does not refer to projects like Node/npm/Bun/Deno, those are toolchains, sometimes called ecosystems for obscure reasons.
If you changed the word "framework" to "toolchain" in your post I think it would make a lot more sense to people.
> If you changed the word "framework" to "toolchain" in your post I think it would make a lot more sense to people.
Fair point but the edit window has passed ;). For the sake of clarity for those still following along: "framework," in the context of my above comments, includes any non-formally-standardized tools or APIs which are built atop the standardized core.
If you changed the word "framework" to "toolchain" in your post I think it would make a lot more sense to people.