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>>Zero legacies.

state schools and community colleges do exactly that, how is that working for them?

>> If the university is suppised to produce good students ir shouldnt be that 1 student in 21 is a complete dud. Because that's how it works, they are duds, who cant be kicked out and they will get their diploma even if they cant read.

"complete dud" is doing a lot of work here, it is not necessarily true that legacies are dumb. Even if they are dumber than average, it doesn't mean they cannot go and achieve great things later in life.

For example Malia Obama - does she deserve a harvard admission just because her father was president?

or donald trump - he was admitted and graduated from wharton - does he meet criteria of "top people" ?



> state schools and community colleges do exactly that, how is that working for them?

It depends? For some good, for some not so good? For a multitude of reasons? One of them being "world is unfair"? Other being money?

Public universities work in Europe. At least to some degree.

Also, this is a philosophical question: should the top universities "manufacture" best students, or are they places where rich peoples" kids can meet each other?

If you hire a programmer do you want: one who can code great, or one who played basketball with the president's kids?




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