Yes, but with research

"entire government"? really?

Governments tend to be corrupt by their very nature.

This is a silly comment.

Corporations and billionaires however...

… engage in corruption only to the extent that it is profitable or it otherwise suits their desires / morality.

Governments however, will be corrupt even when corruption loses them money and is contrary to their own self-interest.

Talk to me when a corporation can be blamed for millions of human deaths.

Oil companies, air pollution has killed millions but they have lobbied hard to keep us on the black heroin.

Ok, so for every life lost that can directly be blamed on pollution from oil how many were saved due to mechanized agriculture?

That agriculture could've been electrified a long time ago

Devils advocate, but what about tobacco companies Philip Morris International and British American Tobacco?

Did they march people by millions into gulags or concentration camps?

No. They convinced them to willingly use addictive substances that would kill them while, at the same time, suppressing research into the negative effects of smoking and paying lobbying groups to prevent legislation against smoking.

But... Yeah... They were a bit more subtle.

>> They were a bit more subtle.

Moral relativism at its finest, when a person selling cigarettes at a gas station is equal to Pol Pot.

I'm curious where would you rather live:

1. A place where they sell cigarettes and deceive you how dangerous they are, but you don't have to buy them if you don't want to.

2. A place where you and you family can be disappeared in the middle of the night. Mind you you can still get cigarettes here as well, but with a lot less variety.

Tobacco companies, alcohol companies, all the companies that support the military industrial complex?

Oh... Now we are selecting the method... Knowingly creating addicts to something that causes cancer (both tobacco and alcohol) is OK since when?

So, since I don't want to shift goal posts and I originally said deaths not murder.

Even if we include all tobacco and opiate related deaths, governments are winning in the death toll game by a lot. And if we factor in pollution related deaths we will also need to factor in lives saved from products produced by businesses as well.

So I don't think you are winning this argument.

> Talk to me when a corporation can be blamed for millions of human deaths.

Philip Morris? Purdue Pharma? American auto industry and seatbelts?

How high is Boeing's death toll at the moment?

Boeing is a military contractor strongly backed up by the US government.

So, do we count only accidents or should we add the deliberate use of weapons?

My argument is that Boeing is closer to an unofficial government branch than an independent corporation owned by a billionaire.

Too Strategic to Fail seems to be a thing.