I see a couple people on here claiming this, but no data to back it up. Elastic beats out OpenSearch by a wide margin on every metric I've thought to check (gh stars, gh stars rate of increase, number of commits, number of pull requests opened, number of pull requests merged, number of issues, stack overflow questions...). Not a single one shows OpenSearch ahead.
What metric are you using to come to the conclusion that OpenSearch is the more valuable brand?
A big question is New + Churning installs. I'd expect a scary portion of the New, and inherently slower rate of Churn are heading to OS instead ES. The curves support that: note that ES isn't substantively growing on that chart. Anecdotally, we see most new installs as leaning to OS in the security industry, which is one of the top money makers for ES/OS.
For one, we don't have to pay for basic amenities like security and alerts. To heck with gouging the customer for basic feature sets. Aws have their faults, but enabling teams to get the whole elastic experience without the weird nickle and diming is a blessing. Good on Amazon and boo elastic.
This evidence can only come from financial accounting. Amazon does not report OpenSearch results separately so you’re looking for data that does not exist in a public form. It’s a waste of time.
> This evidence can only come from financial accounting.
That's not true—we're talking about brand value, not financial value of the product. If AWS switched over to offering ElasticSearch again (not that they will) and ditched OpenSearch, I have no reason to believe that their financial numbers would go down a bit.
Brand value is nearly impossible to measure, but to the extent that you can it'd be by measuring perception among those outside the company, not through an accounting of the company's actual revenue.
Think of it this way: the brand LENRUE [0] is worth approximately zero. The company that makes these products could rebrand tomorrow and their revenue stream wouldn't take a hit in the slightest. But the company presumably actually makes some amount of money.
For Elastic vs OpenSearch, the brand value of the two products should be loosely comparable by looking at some measures of public perceptions, and I can't find any measurement that would suggest OpenSearch is in the lead.
I'm basing it off my own experience with managers, developers, and sysadmins. No one wants Elastic Search over Open Search. We're spending all our money on Open Search. Whenever I mention Elastic Search I may as well have just farted. Everyone hates the support and enterprise licensing model. We already pay for AWS support anyways so why not use their fork? Why add yet another vendor to our tech stack?
interesting. I've heard of ElasticSearch a gazillion times and this is the first time I've heard of "OpenSearch", and I've also been using AWS since it came out basically.
thats a super one sided set of metrics. it doesn't tell us anything about how many people are actually using one, just how much visible dev activity they have.
I don't have those metrics or an opinion, im just saying that value is based on utilization by a product's target users, not support activities.
> it doesn't tell us anything about how many people are actually using one, just how much visible dev activity they have
Stars and rate of star growth and stack overflow activity are all passable proxies. They're not great, and I'm open to better metrics, but they're what I can find.
Truly, if anyone can give me any metric that shows OpenSearch ahead I'll shut up. I can't find one, and I've looked.
AWS revenue. Internal AWS stats. Open search client pulls (not sure if the client is different now). Opensearch is mainly going to be used on AWS so that won't show up as much in GitHub stars.
None of those metrics measure the value of the brand, so none of those metrics are useful for the question that this thread is about: figuring out if AWS benefits from sticking with the OpenSearch brand.
If I'm right that OpenSearch has a weak brand, Amazon could switch and their internal stats and revenue wouldn't budge.
What metric are you using to come to the conclusion that OpenSearch is the more valuable brand?