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No. If you go looking, you will find plenty of counter-examples in History. You just made a statement that the top handful of catastrophic examples were representative of the bunch.

You have massive selection bias in your sample. “Morally-based decision ends well” is not exactly something that makes headlines or that is seized upon by historians to explain memorable cataclysmic events.

You don’t need to be an ethics expert to see a difference between moral principles that lead to suffering, and moral principles that don’t.

Waving away all morality in moral nihilism is teenage-level ethical sophistication.



You are carefully trying to stay vague and are avoiding to name even a single counter-example. You are just claiming that my examples are wrong. This is the definition of a "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Name one non-capitalistic system more moral than the currently existing ones.

All rankings trying to quantify morality and order societies by it, are consistently topped by social market economies, a form of capitalism.

> Waving away all morality in moral nihilism is teenage-level ethical sophistication.

It is also something I have never done. With the edits to your post, its nature became more and more apologetic to dictatorships. I hope this was not what you have intended.


> With the edits to your post, its nature became more and more apologetic to dictatorships.

What are you talking about?(!)


It looked more and more like you wanted to say that morals are not an "all or nothing" thing from where it is easy to leap to being apologetic to just a little bit of (systematic) wrongdoing. But judging from your reaction, this is not what you were trying to set up.


Not at all. The main thread of my comment(s) was that moral value judgments are extremely prevalent. In fact nothing actually happens in society without someone making a value judgment. And most of the time nothing particularly crazy happens.

It’s easy to point to some barbaric act and say “see, this is what morally motivated policies result in”.

But in reality, moral value judgments are all around us in the most mundane of places. It’s moral value judgments that cause us to have anti-monopoly laws. It’s moral value judgments that cause us to configure tax codes one way or another. It’s moral value judgments that cause us to appreciate the things that capitalism gives us. Etc etc. You can’t escape it.




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