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Can't the EU make their own messaging app?


IIRC France sponsored open source secure messaging platforms

There are things like this: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/


They do it for themselves though, not for everyone. It’s a system called Tchap and is used by cops IIRC (https://element.io/case-studies/tchap).


Which is still unusable due to the famous "this message can not be decrypted" problem.


They did it's called Skype it got bought.

Also, what's that supposed to even solve?


They could put more people in prison.


That has no connection to who does or doesn't make messaging apps.


Of course it has. They had to wait until Durov went to EU, if it was an EU company they could pressure them immediately and continually.


New messaging apps from inside the EU neither make it easier nor harder to imprison visiting billionaires from outside the bloc who violated local law with the messaging apps they wrote abroad.

In much the same way that the mere existence of Dropbox doesn't preclude the USA from prosecuting Kim Dotcom.


Messaging apps from EU make it easier to imprison the EU-based owners and employees, and thus easier to control the platform.

If Dotcom was in the US he would be in prison for a decade. It's a huge difference.


> Messaging apps from EU make it easier to imprison the EU-based owners and employees, and thus easier to control the platform.

Not when "the platform" is from outside the EU, as Telegram is.

For any question along the lines of "is Telegram in breach of legal obligations?" there's zero connection to what any other messaging app does.

If I set up a local company for a local messaging app and local government leans on me about it, that government doing so makes zero difference to an outside company such as Telegram.

> If Dotcom was in the US he would be in prison for a decade. It's a huge difference.

His home was raided in 2012 and he's lost his last battle against extradition despite some intermediate wins about the raid itself.


Indeed, and that's what the EU would be solving with a local platform. They'd be in control of that new local platform, not Telegram.


You seem to think that a new local platform excludes existing platforms, this is now how anything works and would be a fantastic money making strategy if it did.


I think this recent thread shows a good example, why it might be difficult to implement in EU:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41348659


Maybe they dont need to

>The European Commission has told its staff to start using Signal, an end-to-end-encrypted messaging app, in a push to increase the security of its communications.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-to-staff-switc...


This is probably more about keeping their communications from the public's prying eyes. In the U.S. this sort of thing is illegal: all intra-government communications must be a matter of record except for oral communications.


Now if only the conversations in which US politicians get bribed (I guess calling it "lobbied" sounds nicer. Especially as a prerequisite to a "donation") would be a matter of public record


There was/is also Wire: https://wire.com/en


Wasn't Matrix in the running for this? And Threema is the standard in Switzerland, I believe.


Well, Matrix is incorporated in the UK, not a member state of the EU, and Switzerland also isn’t a member state of the EU.


well, when Matrix was founded, UK was still part of the EU


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit

> Following a referendum held on 23 June 2016, Brexit officially took place at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020 (00:00 1 February 2020 CET).

With one leg out.



I'm referring to the following:

>> @amelius: Can't the EU make their own messaging app?

> @tptackek: Wasn't Matrix in the running for this?

Three points:

1) From https://matrix.org/foundation/about/: The evolution of Matrix is managed through an open governance process, looked after by The Matrix.org Foundation - a non-profit UK Community Interest Company, incorporated to act as the neutral guardian of the standard on behalf of the whole Matrix community.

2) Matrix is a protocol, not a messaging app.

3) UK is no longer EU.

Read it however you like, I'm simply pointing out that private efforts in non-EU member states are difficult to roll under "EU effort to create their own messaging app".


Their "censorship czar" tried to hype up some app as a "safer alternative" to X on one of Elon's tweets. Can't remember the app's name.




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