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> America also becomes less of a military powerhouse. Something that I’m genuinely happy about

Why so? Sure, it would be a nice world if no country was a military powerhouse, but that's not the world we live in. If the choice is between the US or China being the military powerhouse, why would you pick China?




Of course in practice there’ll always be war and militaries. It’s not about that, it’s about how just and fit to rule is the guy with the longest stick.

There are plenty of us who will be forever bitter about this period in history of US dominance. You may not have noticed from your garden in Virginia, but entire countries have been bombed to rubbles and and entire populations killed or forced to migrate. Still continuing too. In that sense, we’d much prefer actually good and just people ruling the world, not US or Russia or China etc.

Edit: Fix ambiguity.


> it’s about how just and fit to rule is the guy with the longest stick.

And again, if the choices are the US or China, why would you consider China to be more "just and fit to rule"?

> your garden in Virginia

I don't live in Virginia and I don't have a garden.

> entire countries have been bombed to rubbles and and entire populations killed or forced to migrate

So you think the US has done more of this than China? Or than other countries? What are you basing that on?

> we’d much prefer actually good and just people ruling the world

What if there aren't any? If you don't think the US makes the grade, who do you think does? Anyone?


Sorry, it’s really funny, I just realized my sentence was grammatically ambiguous. Now edited to clarify. Intended meaning was neither the US nor China nor Russia make just and good rulers, judging by what they currently do in their current spheres of influence.

>> your garden in Virginia

> I don't live in Virginia and I don't have a garden.

It’s a figure of speech, representing stereotypical upper middle class American.

> If you don't think the US makes the grade, who do you think does? Anyone?

People who actually let others live in peace and harmony, people who are guided by a strong set of morals. If you think you’re free to do whatever, you’ll do whatever. If you think you’re free to do whatever when others aren’t watching, you’ll do whatever when others aren’t watching. Muslims think neither and historically they have a proven track record of compassionate ruling, as opposed to the neo-feudalistic dog eat dog world we live in which is really just Middle Ages Europe with a higher baseline wealth.


> Intended meaning was neither the US nor China nor Russia make just and good rulers

I already got that that was your intended meaning. I was asking who you think do make just and good rulers. Apparently your answer is "Muslims", which I guess means we're just going to have to disagree.


> stereotypical upper middle class American

Not sure where you're getting that from since the only claim I have made about the US (by implication) is that I think China is worse.


Look, this is a public forum. I have no obligation to tailor my comment for each and every reader, I just picked a common and relevant demographic for use in a figure of speech, what’s wrong with that?


> I have no obligation to tailor my comment for each and every reader

You weren't responding to "each and every reader", you were responding to me. Your "figure of speech" was not justified when responding to me. Whether it would be justified when responding to someone else is irrelevant.


Sorry, I should have researched where you live before making my first comment.


Your thoughts do not match what’s on the ground.

China has not bombed entire countries into ruble. China is not currently sponsoring a state sponsored act of genocide.

I don’t really care what peoples “feelings” are on this. It’s a fact that America has fucked over literally billions of people over absolutely nothing. This is something that China has not done.

Speaking about incentives, China has an incentive to NOT do this. Their economy thrives on a global strong middle class that can buy goods. America does not have this incentive. America’s incentive is to create petrodollar dominance through its military.

So yes, I’m not going to be cheering on China because superpowers generally mean people suffer. I will however cheer on America’s sliding into irrelevance and weakness because it literally means less dead kids and less burnt generations.


> Your thoughts do not match what’s on the ground.

> China is not currently sponsoring a state sponsored act of genocide.

> China has an incentive to NOT do this. Their economy thrives on a global strong middle class that can buy goods. America does not have this incentive. America’s incentive is to create petrodollar dominance through its military.

Evidently we don't live on the same planet.


> It’s a fact that America has fucked over literally billions of people over absolutely nothing.

Oh, not over nothing... Israel has to exist, because if Israel doesn't exist then Israel won't exist. Which is why Israel obviously has to always exist.

> This is something that China has not done.

The ongoing oppression of Uighurs, Tiananmen Massacre? Clearly China would do equally worse acts as US if she had the power US has.

> Speaking about incentives, China has an incentive to NOT do this. Their economy thrives on a global strong middle class that can buy goods. America does not have this incentive. America’s incentive is to create petrodollar dominance through its military.

Never thought about it like this... Maybe you're correct and a China-dominated world would be less violent. Still, the cultural homogenization policy they employ would clearly cause much harm if their borders were wider. Just look at the amount of oppression it's resulting in at the moment.


China has not bombed entire countries into ruble.

Right - it has a different style.

Instead, its government happily supported the genocidal Khmer Rouge, invaded Vietnam in retaliation for overthrowing that regime, and currently provides diplomatic, financial, and technical support to the Russian government which is currently bombing Ukraine into rubble (or as you cutely put it, "ruble").

Because hey, there's no point in China's regime letting a peccadillo such as Putin's murderous assault on Ukraine come between their limitless friendship, now is there?




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