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Tech Radar quotes Tom's Hardware; Tom's Hardware quotes a tweet.

Not a tweet from Southwest, mind you. Not even a tweet from someone who says that they used to work for Southwest. Just... a tweet.




I just wish there was some type of identifiable credit / penalty system for writing accurately as a news source. And this would include quotes / retweets. Never been a better time to be wrong about everything.


> wish there was some type of identifiable credit / penalty system for writing accurately as a news source

Good starting point is if the news is free. A shocking fraction of people get their news from solely free sources.


And why would someone put in effort for free?


This is a misunderstanding of the problem. Effort is made in both cases. In one case effort is made to find verifiable truth as a service. In the other effort is made to provide eyeballs to advertisers.


What's "solely free"? Does the ad-driven model count as free? Why do you think an outlet that works for you will necessarily deliver better quality news that the one that works for advertisers? There are obvious bias downsides to both.


The ad-driven model does count as free, and it's far less likely to deliver better quality news than a subscription service users pay for. The core metric for ad-driven news sites is maximizing views—it doesn't matter how you get views as long as you get them. This means free sites are heavily incentivized to be the first to break a news story even if the details are wrong or sparse. Sure, they'll issue corrections and updates later, but only a small percentage of the initial viewers will ever see these, and there's essentially zero cost for having made the mistake.

The core metric for subscription news sites is minimizing churn. A mistake will cost a subscription site subscribers who have a massive lifetime value. These sites are heavily incentivized to report high quality, accurate news even if they're not the first to break the story.


> What's "solely free"? Does the ad-driven model count as free?

Yes, in this context.

> Why do you think an outlet that works for you will necessarily deliver better quality news that the one that works for advertisers?

I can’t explain the mechanics precisely. But it’s pretty clear when I compare my subscription and non-subscription sources where the quality lies.


Yet paying for news is a very weak guarantee of not being fed propaganda/inaccurate reporting.

If we held food safety to the same standards as paid news sources are held, people would get salmonella once a week.


Your cure is worse than the disease. The second such a system existed, it would be gamed to hell and back, and nobody would believe it anyway since they'd all angrily insist that "you shouldn't have counted X" or "you should've counted Y more" and it would just turn into a war over who got to control the system and use it to deplatform their enemies.


It doesn't have to, and indeed shouldn't, be a single system. We'd rather have a handful of independent news checker orgs, maybe some topic-specific ones. Funding remains an exercise for the reader.


There just isn’t. You just have to read enough of one source to determine your own opinion.

Just like with anyone you meet: you are the judge if they are trustworthy, nice, mean, funny, etc.

That said, I think tech journalism is the bottom of the barrel. I just feel like they focus more on tech than journalism.


the cost of producing bs is too low, back in the day it would at least require time and money to print / distribute.


Community notes on twitter is the closest thing to what you're describing I've seen yet. It's been very helpful too imo


A great example of why people don't trust journalists anymore. They don't even perform a basic amount of fact checking before publishing.


Articles from the likes of Tech Radar or Toms Hardware I would trust to a higher standard than a random tweet, but really I wouldn't label them as "real journalists"

I question the ethics and standards of the New York Times at least a little at this point so it's not like great journalism is common.


Also, there is the effect of a lie oft repeated becoming the truth - the times I've seen small outlets writing nonsense, and having it picked up by progressively bigger papers citing the smaller ones as credible sources is too much to count.

Generally there is a chain of trust in news publishing that goes nowhere and there's nothing we can do about it, as more often than not, someone credible repeats the hearsay nonsense down the line, at which point they count as a primary source.

So much of news publishing I would describe as not even wrong.


People don't pay for news anymore so we get what we pay for.


People never paid for news really. If you're thinking of the days when you had to pay 25 cents for a newspaper at the convenience store, that didn't come even close to the cost of running a newspaper in those days. Your quarter only covered (maybe) the cost of the paper and printing it. These days, we don't need paper, and running a web service is probably cheaper per-reader than physical paper.

Newspapers got the bulk of their funding from advertising back then, just as they do now.


The important thing is you were able to justify not paying for stuff.


I don't trust any kind of generalization like this, which only serves further disinformation and misinformation.

There are bad journalists (if they can be called journalists at all) and good journalists. At this point in history, our only hope lies with diligent reporters from reputable publishers.


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When's the last time you paid for a newspaper or a subscription to a newspaper?


It's unfair to pretend that all journalists have the same level of professionalism (or lack thereof) with regard to sourcing.

They don't.


It's kind of depressing to think that we have had this world-spanning system of knowledge and "hyperlinks" for decades now, individual pieces that should've enabled an easy chain of attribution/citation...


And encourage the reader to move away from your site‽ No self respecting PHB could condone such a thing.


I've started seeing this on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia sources an article from a semi-legit source. That semi-legit source either just says "sources" or points to something less-legit, like a Tweet.

You can bring new "facts" into existence by just laundering them from lower- and lower-quality sources.


Source-laundering is a bit catchy, I have to say.




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