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Everybody keeps repeating this without actually knowing specifically what his "crime" was.

Here it is: He was sent a Windows NT password hash, he ran hashcat over it, couldn't successfully reverse it, and gave up.

That's it.

Prosecuting him for this "heinous crime against the state" has cost US and UK taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.

At the time of this "crime" occurring he was not physically in the USA, not a citizen of the USA, and hence not subject to its laws.

Unless you think the USA is the world government and can police anyone, anywhere, for anything?

A link to the "tools of the crime": https://github.com/hashcat/hashcat




>He was sent a Windows NT password hash, he ran hashcat over it, couldn't successfully reverse it, and gave up.

Yeah..? He played an active role with his conspirator lol. He doesn't pretend to be some fool who accidentally got involved so there is no reason for you to do so on his behalf by trying to deny his crimes.

>At the time of this "crime" occurring he was not physically in the USA, not a citizen of the USA, and hence not subject to its laws.

An abused claim. Plenty of Russian hackers aren't US citizens or in the US when they commit credit card fraud or launch ransomware attacks but obviously they are still able to be charged under US law (or the law of any country they attack). And no one can seriously argue otherwise. Sitting in a different jurisdiction doesn't mean you can't be charged with a crime. For example, the South American drug lord isn't free to traffic drugs into Europe just because he isn't in Europe or a European citizen. That would be stupid and isn't how the world works.

>Unless you think the USA is the world government and can police anyone, anywhere, for anything?

US law can apply to the whole world if the US wants to enforce it (and so do most countries for plenty of crimes like cybercrime, terrorism, money laundering).

>Prosecuting him for this "heinous crime against the state" has cost US and UK taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.

I mean sure; trying any person for a crime cost money. Not really relevant.


So you're saying Chinese law applies to you when you're a US citizen in the US?

Have you ever said anything disparaging about the CCP or its leadership in an online forum? If so: congratulations! You've committed a crime directly equivalent to what Assange did.

You've just argued yourself into saying that it is proper, good, and right for China to extradite you. If not you personally, then people you know who did say negative things about the CCP. Or took Muhammad's name in vain. Or, or, or...

We can't be subject to every country's laws, irrespective of citizenship or location.


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> So you're saying Chinese law applies to you when you're a US citizen in the US?

Sometimes

> We can't be subject to every country's laws, irrespective of citizenship or location.

No, that's why countries have extradition and other treaties that detail what foreign crimes they will recognize and provide reciprocity for with enforcement. Usually the answer is "Things that are also crimes in our country". Hacking is a crime in both countries, so Australian laws could be enforced on a US citizen through the mechanisms established by those treaties. Disparaging the CCP is explicitly protected in the US, so it wouldn't - so long as the US citizen never visits China.


Which system did he hack?

Before you answer, consider that his crime is the rough equivalent of you walking past a "secure government facility" with one of those number-pad locks on the door, trying a few combinations, and then giving up.

Also, before talking about "attempted crimes are still crimes" or whatever, please do a rough Fermi estimate of how many teenage children do that much or worse on a daily basis, attempting to hack US systems from either abroad or on US soil.

Should the government of the United States spend tens of millions of dollars prosecuting every such incident? Extradite every script kiddie and drag them in front a grand jury? Are you saying that there's "rules" here that are being meticulously followed by all parties?

To most normal people, this looks like abuse of power. Assange made powerful people look bad and they retaliated with all of the tools at their disposal.

That anyone here can justify this kind of behaviour is a sign that you want an emperor, not a president. A king, not an elected official. You want monarchy, with those in power able to execute a peasant for any infraction against their betters.


>So you're saying Chinese law applies to you when you're a US citizen in the US?

If I launched a ransomware attack against a Chinese company, smuggled drugs into China via the Post, etc then I wouldn't be surprised when China charged me for my crimes. That is how the world works! There are plenty of laws where you don't need to be physically inside a country to be at risk of indictment (or equivalent).

>We can't be subject to every country's laws, irrespective of citizenship or location.

It would be silly for a country to try and enforce every law they have on others abroad. That doesn't mean countries can't enforce certain laws on people who are abroad. I gave you 4 examples of laws that countries commonly enforce on people abroad and for good reason.

>You've just argued yourself into saying that it is proper, good, and right for China to extradite you. If not you personally, then people you know who did say negative things about the CCP. Or took Muhammad's name in vain. Or, or, or..

No I didn't. China trying to extradite someone for criticizing them isn't the same as the US trying to extradite a Russian hacker who is behind a ransomware attack or a South American drug kingpin. Assange was a direct co-conspirator in accessing and stealing classified documents. Trying to pretend like that is on the same level as criticizing the CCP or some warlord is absurd. It is so absurd it is hard to tell if you are even being serious or just trolling.


> China trying to extradite someone for criticizing them isn't the same as the US trying to extradite a Russian hacker who is behind a ransomware attack or a South American drug kingpin.

Why?

To them it's the same severity of "crime".

You don't get to define who takes what crimes seriously. If you open the door the US prosecution of overseas non-citizens for non-crimes they didn't commit on US soil, then you open the door for everyone else to apply the same logic to you.

Assange basically did nothing. He didn't break into any systems, he didn't access any IT systems, etc...

> trying to pretend like that is on the same level as criticizing the CCP or some warlord is absurd.

Tell that to these people, executed for criticizing a dead person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo

To you this might be an absurd reason to go execute someone, but to other people it was a "serious crime" requiring capital punishment.


Reading posts like this make just wonder: how can one be so off? I mean in the “missing forest for the trees” sense of off.

What exactly was this guy doing? Was he accessing secrets to sell them to north korea or was he exposing crimes against humanity, conspiracies against the public interest, and violations of international law?

I wonder something. Let’s say the mafia spent on Hollywood and mainstream news enough to develop mainstream culture to the point where the mafia is legitimized in the eyes of enough of the public. You would defend mob punishment of someone who steals documents from them wouldn’t you?

I wonder what is it that makes you ready to side with authority and blame the (potential) victim? Do you always side with authority because it’s more comfortable to pretend they are noble than to admit to yourself that you ignore the tyranny of an evil, abusive authority? Do you blame the Gazans for Israel dropping bombs on their apartment buildings or burning their children alive in the refugee tent camps (that Israel declared as safe) because nearly two decades ago Hamas won the election in Gaza? Do you blame the millions Vietnamese for getting agent orange dropped on them because they dared to tolerate deviations from what the Americans desired in terms of Vietnamese economic/civic management?

It’s an interesting thing to see people jump to defend an authority when they lash out from a position which is so clearly not the moral high ground. Why is that? The American Government destroyed this mans life because he exposed their crimes. You can’t ignore the Governments crimes — which stretch far back —- while being fixated on his violations of some social contract that has been long trampled upon by the government itself.


What on earth are you rambling about?




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