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what the heck are they talking about in the linked article? each color of light travels at a different speed?

> White light can be separated into all seven major colors of the complete spectrum or rainbow by using a diffraction grating. The grating separates light into colors as the light passes through the many fine slits of the grating. Each color travels at a different speed and therefore has a different angle of refraction when it hits the grating.



Yes; a dispersive prism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersive_prism) is a simple example of this (both prisms and diffraction gratings are used to break light up into its spectrum). The fundamental physical mechanism is known as "dispersion": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_(optics)

The backstory of diffraction gratings is part of the ongoing story of precision. The first ones were created shortly after Newton's use of the prism to demonstrate dispersion, and by the late 1800s, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Augustus_Rowland was quite good at making high quality gratings that were used in astronomy to figure out some of the most fundamental details. They were highly sought after- effectively he was the only person who could make high quality gratings for a while (and he shared them widely).

If you really want to go down the rabbithole, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dividing_engine (fans of the screw cutting lathe will appreciate that the same technology is used) and https://www.edmundoptics.jp/ViewDocument/MKS%20Diffraction%2... and http://snl.mit.edu/pub/papers/WP/Nanoruler-White-Paper.pdf


however, diffraction gratings do not use dispersion, so the page is confused

this error is not contained in the tech ingredients video the page links; unlike, for example, nighthawkinlight, tech ingredients is careful to get the science correct


Dispersion is the name for the process of separating the light into individual frequency components but there is more than one mechanism. The term 'dispersion' to refer to what diffraction gratings do is already well established.


usually the term 'dispersion' is contrasted to what diffraction gratings do. 'dispersion' normally refers to the frequency-dependency of phase velocity in a wave medium, which can result in separating waves into separate frequencies but does not always (for example, a pulse train traveling through a one-dimensional dispersive medium is a case of great practical interest). but it's true that from time to time people do use the term 'dispersion' to refer to separating light into individual frequency components with a diffraction grating. it just isn't the normal meaning, and it isn't one i'd seen before


The person you're responding to is correct.

Dispersion is the result, refraction and diffraction are ways that it can happen.

> The grating acts as a dispersive element.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_grating


the comment you are replying to already explains that people sometimes use the term 'dispersion' in that way, but puts it in a broader context:

> but it's true that from time to time people do use the term 'dispersion' to refer to separating light into individual frequency components with a diffraction grating. it just isn't the normal meaning, and it isn't one i'd seen before

for the normal meaning, see for example the page dekhn linked above to explain it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_(optics)

> In optics and in wave propagation in general, dispersion is the phenomenon in which the phase velocity of a wave depends on its frequency;[1] sometimes the term chromatic dispersion is used for specificity to optics in particular. (...) In optics, one important and familiar consequence of dispersion is the change in the angle of refraction of different colors of light

diffraction gratings do not in any way depend on this phenomenon; they just replicate the consequence through a different mechanism. so where dekhn said, 'The fundamental physical mechanism is known as "dispersion"', linking to the same page i linked above explaining the mechanism that diffraction gratings do not use, they were mistaken


With a diffraction grating, all colors travel at the same speed, but some light waves reflected off/transmitted through the grating end up taking a longer path to reach the same point in your eye, and depending on the wavelength, that length difference causes constructive or destructive interference, amplifying some colors and suppressing others.

Colors traveling at different speeds through a medium is the usual explanation for color separation through refraction, but it doesn't really help for understanding diffraction.


> each color of light travels at a different speed?

That is indeed correct when light is not traveling through a vacuum. Refraction occurs because of a change in velocity between mediums, and the refractive index is wavelength-dependant (dispersive) in many mediums.


They travel c in vacuo but not through different media.


thanks all for the pointers: they led me to an explanation from Feynman, which I'd not found before. And hadn’t seen in high school.

https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_31.html


Yeah, that's a thing. 3Blue1Brown did a video on it a while back:

https://www.3blue1brown.com/lessons/prism

It's part of a larger series that starts here:

https://www.3blue1brown.com/lessons/barber-pole-1


It's indeed not correct... but it diffracts so some of the light lands on your eye later because it's angled differently hence the colour change... just guessing. I'm not a physics major.


why did you think it happened?


refraction angles are wavelength dependent, i thought...not the fraction of c by wavelength of photon.

from the wikipedia article on dispersive prisms, for example, though i asked above because i remember this from physics at Fermilab in high school.

> The refractive index of many materials (such as glass) varies with the wavelength or color of the light used, a phenomenon known as dispersion. This causes light of different colors to be refracted differently and to leave the prism at different angles


Frequency is constant, wavelength changes and so does velocity, from wikipedia refractive index

> The refractive index, n, can be seen as the factor by which the speed and the wavelength of the radiation are reduced with respect to their vacuum values: the speed of light in a medium is v = c/n, and similarly the wavelength in that medium is λ = λ0/n, where λ0 is the wavelength of that light in vacuum. This implies that vacuum has a refractive index of 1, and assumes that the frequency (f = v/λ) of the wave is not affected by the refractive index.


Yeah, the author absolutely confused this with transmission grating which works by transmission rather than reflection.


transmission gratings also do not work by dispersion




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