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Espionage is not necessarily done with malicious intent if it’s for the good of the country, right? Doesn’t justify trampling peoples’ human rights in any particular instance tho


Hah, plenty of invasions (including the current Ukrainian one) are done under the auspices of ‘freeing’/‘liberating’ the invaded. Plenty of examples.

And COINTELPRO and MKULTRA were supposedly for the good of the country/public.

Always be skeptical of anything being justified as ‘for the greater good’.


MKULTRA was some overprivileged Ivy League frat douchebags with security clearances playing God with drugs and prostitutes, not really espionage in my book.

Espionage against citizens in violation of the constitution is immoral, but spying on other countries is fair game. It’s a huge part of U.S. military dominance.


MKULTRA was nominally for the purposes of information extraction from unwilling targets, creating sleeper agents, and blackmailing/brainwashing foreign citizens/adversaries.

And was done by the CIA.

And while in hindsight it was pretty dubious if it was going to be effective, given the mindset and knowledge of the time? Plausible.

It fits under the umbrella of dirty tricks well enough to hang it at the feet of espionage to me. It was certainly gov’t sanctioned (by some definition). What else are we going to call it? ‘Frat boys misbehaving’ doesn’t give it the proper weight.




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