Its bad because if Palestinians agree with the attack then they can be collectively punished, that's usually what comes after showing those polls. How many in Ireland supported IRA? Should UK have bombed them as well?
Did Israel provide evidence that UNRWA supports Hamas? If so why did many countries reinstate aid to UNRWA?
Israel may have left Gaza but they still control all their borders and airspace, even the Egyptian border as nothing can pass there without Israel approving it (even before Oct 7).
Israel might be loosing the propaganda war because they're killing mostly civilians and are starving them. They are a colonialist and apartheid state. The current government has supported Hamas as a divide and conquer strategy so Palestinians cannot unite and form their own state.
If you want to get out of the propaganda bubble of Israel try the Badhasbara podcast.
Gently: I think there's a better way to phrase this, and you still have time to edit. It's strong but once you're at paragraph 4....once you're "saying propaganda war/colonialist/apartheid/you're in a propaganda bubble".........let me start again. We all have agency, and denying agency/telling someone they're in a bubble and not able to think for themselves, is one of the easiest ways for them to ignore your invitation for them to seize agency and think for themselves, via consuming the media* you recommend.
* they would say propaganda. It's a "you're rubber I'm glue, whatever you say..." type deal
But they maintained a land, air, and sea blockade of the region, controlling water, food, power, trade, and immigration. And the region remained under continuous threat of the Israeli military returning. That's not self governing.
> But they maintained a land, air, and sea blockade of the region, controlling water, food, power, trade, and immigration. And the region remained under continuous threat of the Israeli military returning. That's not self governing.
The key is that Gaza can be "self-governing" even with the above restrictions. What they lack is "sovereignty".
We're blessed with polls right before 10/7 re: "Support for Hamas." Roughly 40/60. I've seen other junk ones passed around. I don't think 10/7 or what we ended up with in Gaza was justified, a sweeping international majority agrees, and both Israel/Gaza will poll at "of course it was justified and why are people so evil as to not support us"
You transmutated "I've never seen any jokes about WCK" to "the only thing I've ever seen is links about polls" to "linking to polls isn't bad.": sure, no one would say it is. so it comes across as an attempt to claim it is unreasonable to claim that worse things go on than linking to polls.**
> has a vested interest in perpetuating the "refugee" status of millions of Palestinians who were born outside Israel
I'm familiar with this argument: sure. If that's the case, let's get rid of the UN. We'll have to find some way to get not-terrorists governing Gaza, i.e. providing for the people.
There's two choices from there.*
In my experience, one of them is consistently ruled out by people who spend time litigating the UN. And I strongly believe that is where the breaking point in international support is.
* if you exclude "kick the can down the road" and "the Palestineans without the guns should seize power from the guys with the guns, otherwise they're complicit"
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It's just a feeling, but one informed by 1000 conversations I've had: if the strawman about poll links means "yeah, I've seen racism, but justified and rational, because the polls say a majority of Them" -- I think that's exactly the class of behavior that leads me to be a proud Zionist, it's dangerous to proscribe beliefs to a group, based on location of their housing, religion, skin color, anything. It justifies some very ugly things.
