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Is there a country that doesn't do this?


I don't know of any government department in Canada, Mexico, the UK, France, Germany, Australia that target U.S. law makers with fake social media accounts.

Do you know of any? Can you cite them?


I don't know of them, that's why I'm sure it's happening. I'd assume that the US is doing this to our allied nations, too.


I'm not saying it's not happening, however, the US has a much bigger stick to use by withholding funds/arms/aid before stooping to this level of influence*. Pretty much no other country has the reciprocal influence to the US, so these kinds of machinations is kind of expected.

*Historical examples of other forms of US meddling/interference is not being ignored, and paves the way to why I would not say not being done.


I have a question of my own. Is there another country whose citizens are regularly elected to Congress? Dual citizens are not barred from holding office in Congress, and certainly there are more than a few English Americans and French Americans who hold citizens in both respective countries, but I have never heard of any winning office (or even running, for that matter).


It is relatively common for people born outside the US to be elected to Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign-born_United_St..., https://www.senate.gov/senators/Foreign_born.htm), but there is no requirement to publicly disclose dual citizenship. Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann are the most famous examples of holding dual citizenship during a congressional career, there may be more examples that I'm not aware of.


Ted Cruz says he did not know he was a dual citizen. He said he assumed that because he was a US citizen by birth, left Canada at 4 and lived entirely in the US and never took affirmative steps to claim Canadian citizenship he was not a Canadian citizen.

When a newspaper brought it up he went through the steps to formally renounce Canadian citizenship, which became official in May 2014.


> he went through the steps to formally renounce Canadian citizenship,

Not a fan of Cruz, but this is sufficient for me. More problematic would be those nations that don't accept or don't allow them to renounce citizenship.


I'm not accusing him of anything, I'm just saying he's one of two known cases. I don't personally consider it a problem and I wouldn't care if he hadn't renounced it.


I'm not aware of any dual citizens in Congress, could you provide some names please?


I could be wrong but I think it's an intentional misrepresentation of Israel's Law of Return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return), which allows any Jewish person to move to Israel and then become a citizen. It doesn't mean that every Jewish person anywhere in the world is automatically an Israeli citizen whether they want to be or not, but some people like to say that.


This is from your own link.

>On the day of arrival in Israel, or occasionally at a later date, a person who enters Israel under the Law of Return as an oleh would receive a certificate confirming their oleh status.

On the very day they step off the boat or plane. This isn't the case of "anyone who comes to the US and waits 10+ years might finally get to become a citizen". Seems pretty fucking automatic.


What's the next sentence?

The Wikipedia summary is oversimplified, it's very easy but you do have to affirmatively express an interest and fill out an application (https://www.gov.il/en/service/declaration_of_intent_to_recei...). They don't literally hand it to you when you get off the plane, and even if they did you still can't point to any Jewish person and declare that they must be a citizen of Israel. Most Jewish people have never even been to Israel.

Maybe you're arguing that since it's so easy, all Jewish people in Congress are effectively dual Israeli citizens even if they never actually apply for citizenship. In that case, you'll also be shocked to learn that every single person in Congress is a dual citizen of Dominica, which can be obtained without ever setting foot in the country by just paying $100,000 (https://www.cbiu.gov.dm/dominica-citizenship/). Everyone in Congress can afford that, so we might as well say they've already done it.


Not the point here: Israel is our "greatest ally" and the target is our lawmakers.


I think you would be surprised by the list of countries the US IC believes are our most important intelligence "adversaries"; the list includes many of our allies.


"greatest ally" according to whose claim? that reads like propaganda, just plain nonsense. perhaps a contender for greatest external funding liability? not sure how the hard data would rank such numerically.


I believe this was sarcarsm, since American politicians like to always pitch Israel as "America's Greatest Ally", thus making it a common target of sarcasm


ahhh....that makes sense then.

as i think of it, it's strange that the US supposedly has a separation of religion from state, in the constitution+amendments, yet funds an external country based on a religion. i wonder what fraction of donations to Israel come back as lobbyists paying politicians to fund the next round of donations. there must be datasets recorded somewhere, but i have no idea where to look.


> American politicians like to always pitch Israel as "America's Greatest Ally"

In the Middle East. Which is sort of true. (Cairo, Riyadh and Doha aren’t as reliable.)

Our traditional greatest ally is the U.K.


France and Poland from the revolutionary war, too, perhaps.


> France and Poland from the revolutionary war

France is our oldest ally. But it (and Poland) are weaker and have been less reliably at our side than Britain has been.


As far as I can tell "greatest ally" is just something these accounts say.

Jordan seems to be a much stronger friend to us in the region.


Jordan never sunk a US Navy ship and then machine-gunned the sailors trying to escape in lifeboats. But if they did, they wouldn't have painted over the jet's markings first.


Yeah, AIPAC really opened my eyes to how deep the ties go. They spend tons of money to put their preferred lawmakers in place, and openly brag on Twitter about how much they spend and their extremely successful track record. It just -feels- like it should be illegal, seeing as it's a foreign country.


So, enlighten us: is there? Any example of this sort of things between allies? Or is this just an extreme case of both-sides?

Spying and keeping tabs on your friends is one thing. Influence campaigns among close allies are generally not the way it works.


before the US entered WWII the british had an office of propaganda with offices in New York that was dedicated to getting the US to enter the war.


It's not common at all in liberal countries. Perhaps azerbaijan or china do it


USA censor Social Networks that don't allow them to do it.




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