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Could the audible difference be related to varying sound propagation through hot/humid vs cold/dry air?


I don't think so. If I pour hot water into a mug from the kettle, it sounds different with cold water with all the same equipment, room etc


That's my feeling as well. I can hear when the hot water has reached my shower.


I hear the same with my shower, but I'd wager most of the change in sound would be to do with pressure change between the hot and cold source.


That was what I thought at first too. However if it were pressure change, the sound would change when you move the knob, not when the hot water reaches the shower.


Also it's more-or-less the same pressure. It's the cold supply pressure pushing water out of your tank or through your tankless water heater.


Yes, the thermostatic mixing valve is worth understanding- it’s pretty neat.


In most plumbing (at least in the US), there is no difference in pressure between hot and cold because the hot input is the same cold water source.


I turn on the tap in the sink in the bathroom, when waiting for the hot water coming from the cistern. The water in the pipes have cooled down over night. I can hear the difference in the sound when it splashes in the sink, when it is hot. So yeah.


That doesn't surprise me at all. I can tell hot water from cold by how it looks when you pour it, (steam aside).


I'd imagine there may also be a component of sound bouncing off things? I think stuff contracts and expands when it hot or cold? So maybe something that is cold and contracted bounces the sound sharper too? Noooooo clue if that makes any sense, just a bunch of guessing from high school science class.


I think it's this. Sounds are very different based on the temperature and humidity of air. I have a piano at home and the difference is huge and very apparent over time.


Does your piano have a wooden body and sound board?

I'm sure piano techs are all over this topic, but (as a layman) I could imagine the wood's water content being quite relevant.


Piano soundboards are almost always wood. There are a handful of companies that offer carbon fiber soundboards but they are very rare and expensive. As the soundboard gains moisture, it swells and buckles as it has nowhere to go, which makes it louder and also raises the pitch a bit as the strings are pushed a bit. When it gets drier, it goes flat (structurally and musically). If it has been too moist, the wood cells will be compacted and crushed. If it is then dried, it will form cracks as the wooden structure rips itself apart when shrinking again.

A piano soundboard that has been built and kept in a desert for instance will not crack. But if you take a piano from a ~55% humid country and put it in a desert (or overly air-conditioned room! or right in front of a heat radiator!) it will die.


Does a swollen soundboard noticeably affect pitch even when the piano has a cast-metal harp?

The one harp I've seen up close was in an upright piano I disassembled, and that harp was solid.


The harp doesn't actually lie flush on the soundboard; there should be some space in between. The harp is just there to bear the tension of all the strings. The strings are connected to the soundboard via a wooden so called bridge, which is a raised wooden element glued onto the soundboard. It has pins in it which the strings are held against in tension. Bridges have a coating of graphite usually, and combined with the fact that most notes have 3 strings, it creates kind of a blocky pattern.

Here you can see a soundboard, bridge, and hitch pins on the harp. The hitch pins on the harp can be seen up top, then in the middle the bridge and bridge pins, and then below that the soundboard. The hitch pins are located on the opposite side of the keys in a grand, or on the bottom of the piano in an upright. You can see on the right of the image that the harp has a structural element which floats over the bridge, with plenty clearance.

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P.S. In some pianos you can really hear a metallic undertone produced by the harp, I find Yamaha pianos have a distinct sound that has it.


It’s important, and can change the tuning in spring and fall cycles

most of the US is too dry in the home, and humidification is helpful for all wood in your home - to a point of course. Approx 55% is optimal

Of course in the south it’s the exact opposite - but A/C usually solves the problem.

Every homeowner should monitor their indoor humidity, it’s important for, wood floors, door trims, wood furniture, and our own health. Too much causes mold, too dry is hard on your respiratory system


Absolutely not. I first noticed this when visiting Iceland. The hot streams bubbling out of the ground sounded the same as boiling hot water being poured from a kettle, not the kind of cold-water stream sound you'd normally expect in the north in winter.

You can try it yourself. Take two identical kettles, boil the water in each of them and pour it somewhere. Obvious difference.


My piano has a Dammp-Chaser automatic humidifier and dehumidifier system that works well. My piano tech uses a moisture meter to check the soundboard at tuning time and the wood’s moisture has been fairly stable for more than two decades.


That is definitely a thing, but I can tell when the hot water arrives at the bathroom tap by the sound of the water hitting the bowl. So it’s the water too, I’m pretty certain.




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