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A quieter world is one where the outdoors is quieter because we stop producing so much noise in the first place. This would benefit us and wildlife, which are very negatively impacted by not just our classic pollution but our noise and light pollution too.



You might be forgetting about how loud birds can be. At least twice a week I'll wake up to birds chirping until at least 7am.

They are extremely loud, second only to no muffler cars and sport bikes blasting through deserted back roads.

If you live in the woods with trees, they'll sound as loud as the ocean. If you live near the ocean, well that's always loud.

The biggest offenders are:

1. cars/trucks 2. birds 3. airplanes 4. ac units 5. ocean 6. wind with trees

You'd never know trees sound like the ocean if you aren't around trees. Trains are loud but intermittent. And trains don't run very often anymore where I am.


There is a couple of conected rail spur lines near less than 500yard from my bedroom window which BNSF have decided to uses as make shift switching yard rather than the actual switching yard on the other side of town. Occasionally it is building shakingly load.

Unrelated. To the noise but just as obnoxious, They also seem to get a pervasive joy in cutting town in half by parking their trains in the main line running through the middle of the town lengthwise. I understand the rail line was here first and the town grew up along the length of the track, but why they cant park their train on the miles of empty straight track outside of town. It boggles my mind.


What about lawn mowers/leaf blowers/snow blowers? And dogs.


Cicadas. Jesus Christ.


DDT helps with the birds.


So does a pellet gun.

GP is very right. To this day, I know that if I don't go to sleep until ~03:30, I might just as well stay up - when the birds wake and start making noise, I won't be able to sleep at all. Cars, trams, trains, I can tune out. There's something about bird chirps that makes them impossible for my brain to ignore. It's worse than loud snoring.


Interesting - I love the sound of birds and can go right back to sleep when they are chirping outside and I have the window open. Road noise on the other hand...


earplugs


Agreed, its one of the many reasons I cant wait for the shift from ICE vehicles to EVs, they are just so much quieter.


If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve


> Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve

It's easy from a technical standpoint but practically impossible from a human one. The vast majority of people simply don't notice or care that some large percentage of vehicles are intentionally modified to be louder than the legal maximum. Police won't enforce it, and most citizens barely register the noise as present, much less a problem.

Banning ICE vehicles altogether may very well be the only thing that actually gets the problem solved, since that actually has more momentum behind it than enforcement of existing noise regulations does.


I'm not sure "large percentage" is a statement I'd agree with, my searching skills are failing me, do you have any kind of source for that? I'd be shocked if it was over 5%...


I live near a medium-busy street. I haven't seen actual numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if at peak hours there are over 100 cars passing per minute.

If 5% of those are overly loud, that's an average of a very loud noise every 3 seconds, and most of them will take somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds to come and finally go away. If you don't think that's large, we have very different noise thresholds.


I guess "large" is subjective. 1-5% is the ballpark I have in my head based on experience, which qualifies as "large" to me when I get passed by thousands of cars a day.

The hard numbers I'm aware of are about motorcycles, which have much higher rates of illegal modifications than other vehicles. This source documents a bunch of other sources, with estimates ranging from 40-70%:

https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/


People that purposefully install loader than necessary pipes on their vehicles ought to be forced to stay awake by having a marching band play nonstop in their bedroom until the loud exhaust pipe is removed


> If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car.

You cannot even hear modern ICE cars running unless you are really close to them. My neighbor's garage door opener is louder than his ICE car...

Road noise is tires/air like you mentioned. Not a real way to deal with that.


I found this to be true for cars and maybe trucks, but not for motorbikes. Some extreme motorbikes rattle all parked cars and trigger alarms.

When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter.


"When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter."

Not that easy, the electric Harley is intentionally louder than the combustion version - because people want them loud.

(I am not a fan of banning in general, but banning noise is fine by me)


Yep, there are plenty of ICE vehicles that are quite. A large number of cars/small trucks that are loud are designed that way because the roaring engine noise sells the car.


I believe it bas to do more with vehicular speed than business. At low speeds, engine noise dominates; on a freeway, it’s the tyres.



Yes and no at the same time. Tire noise is significant which is also a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tire design. You tend not to notice the tire noise as most of our interaction with cars is in places like parking lots where engine noise is much more pronounced.


Depends what we are talking about. In Europe, uber EV moped drivers are sooooo much nicer than the regular ones. Most of our interaction with cars are on side walks, along moving cars.


There is still honking, car alarms, and bass




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