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> Surrounding expressions that consume that type will see the error type and suppress any other type errors they might otherwise produce.

We added a slightly-cursed version of this to clang. The goal was: include more broken code in the AST instead of dropping it on the floor, without adding noisy error cascades.

The problem is, adding a special case to all "surrounding expressions that consume that type" is literally thousands of places. It's often unclear exactly what to do, because "consume" means so many things in C++ (think overload resolution and argument-dependent lookup) and because certain type errors are used in metaprogramming (thanks, SFINAE). So this would cost a lot of complexity, and it's too late to redesign clang around it.

But C++ already has a mechanism to suppress typechecking! Inside a template, most analysis of code that depends on a template parameter is deferred until instantiation. The implementation of this is hugely complicated and expensive to maintain, but that cost is sunk. So we piggy-backed on this mechanism: clang's error type is `<dependent type>`. The type of this expression depends on how the programmer fixes their error :-)

And that's the story of how C gained dependent types (https://godbolt.org/z/szGdeGhrr), because why should C++ have all the fun?

(This leaves out a bunch of nuance, of course the truth is always more complicated)




In D, all semantic analysis of a template waits until instantiation time. This is because D is designed so that the syntax parsing does not need a symbol table.

In C++, I solved this problem by simply matching { } in the template body, and accumulating a list of tokens within the { }. Then, when instantiated, the template parameter values were known, and the template syntax could then be semantically analyzed. It was simple and effective.

But I was informed that C++ required the syntax parsing and semantics for non-dependent types without instantiation. I asked why, and the answer was "to check for errors without needing to instantiate it." I responded with "of what use is checking it if it is never used or tested?" And that was the end of that.

> The implementation of this is hugely complicated and expensive to maintain

I quietly revolted and refused to implement that disaster. AFAIK there was never a problem with deferring parsing/semantic until instantiation.


Isn't that what msvc does? I remember it's a little weird about when it actually checks for errors in templated code


Yes (at least approximately, I'm fuzzy on the details).

These days it supports both. (IIRC the default is legacy/nonstandard, you select the standard behavior with /fpermission-, and VS adds /fpermission- to newly generated projects)

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/two-phase-name-lookup...


I have no idea what msvc does with this.


Yeah, that trade-off makes a lot of sense. It's the logical conclusion of the "templates are textual" model. But C++ loves to have its cake and eat it regardless of the complexity, so it's non-conforming.

(I expect it's possible to construct cases where this difference is observable)

I think checking templates in isolation has value. We use statically typed languages in part to make more error classes locally-verifiable. But bolting that into a mostly-textual system is a mess.

(Checking templates in isolation is particularly valuable in IDEs, which tend to share logic with compiler frontends. IDEs only need that much power to do a passable job because the language is so complex, so I don't know which way this argument points)


I love/hate/but-really-love/but-totally-hate this.




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