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blackcurrants were banned too (by federal united states gov) for some sort of complicated reason


It's a host for white pine blister rust.


To expand on this, many states have a large white pine lumber industry. The white pine is highly susceptible to a type of fungus harbored by currants.

The fungus does not spread from white pine to white pine, only from currants to currant, or currant to white pine, so eliminating the nearby currants protects the white pine industry.


Apparently this is no longer much of an issue. Quoting [0]:

"The federal ban was lifted in 1966, though many states maintained their own bans. Research showed that blackcurrants could be safely grown some distance from white pines and this, together with the development of rust-immune varieties and new fungicides, led to most states lifting their bans by 2003. Blackcurrants are now grown commercially in the Northeastern United States and the Pacific Northwest. Because of the long period of restrictions, blackcurrants are not popular in the United States, and one researcher has estimated that only 0.1% of Americans have eaten one. [...] By 2003 restrictions on Ribes cultivation had been lifted across most of the states, though some bans remain, particularly on the blackcurrant. State laws are enforced with varying degrees of efficiency and enthusiasm; in some states, officials effectively ignore the ban."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackcurrant_production_in_the...


they're also available at a local walmart as rootstock. I bought one. If i find a nursery that has it i will buy more, but i like growing "weird" plants that no one has heard of, like soapberries, kumquats, that sort of thing.


Can I recommend Saskatoon berries; they've a nice nutty taste, great for jam, and dog safe.


Lookup beauty berries. Their fruit is edible and makes a nice jam. True to their name, they’re beautiful when fruiting.


Birds have their own plans for the Callicarpa berries, but are excellent plants for dry shadow. And leaves take a rare true-pink tone in fall.


those grow wild all over the land here, i just found out what they were called last year; although i had heard they're not edible but to leave them for birds. I'll ask the Ag Center if they're safe to eat.


Please do ask your AG center, but they’ll tell you they’re safe to eat. I make a jam of sorts with the berries. They’re not real sweet but are totally edible


In Europe they decided to get rid of the white pines (which are not native) in favor of the blackcurrants.


The Ribena lobby is strong


I'd probably vote this way if given the choice, too.


Interesting! Citation?


I believe I learned it in this video from "The History Guy": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZAk1a0dqiM


I was the French if I'm not wrong.


"Je suis le Roi" moment (LOL)

IT was the French


Does it go from white pine back to currants?


Yes.


Great. I was hoping we could see alternating currants.


> alternating currants

Except we know the hertz will harm local timbre, even if some are okay the the currant's whine.


bravissimo


@dang get over here and do something about this.


man that's complicated


Sure is! https://www.apsnet.org/edcenter/disandpath/fungalbasidio/pdl...

> The white pine blister rust pathogen is a typical heteroecious, macrocyclic rust that produces five distinct spore stages on two different hosts to complete its life cycle. The pycnial stage consists of pycniospores, or spermatia, which are haploid spores that fertilize compatible receptive hyphae. The two sexes are not distinguishable and are simply designated plus and minus. This is the stage where genetic recombination can occur that may lead to development of races of the rust. However, the nuclear cycle (i.e., dikaryogamy, diploidization, meiosis) of the blister rust fungus has not been fully determined, but is assumed to be the same as for other better known rust fungi such as Puccinia graminis. The aecial stage develops in host tissue occupied by pycnia the previous season (Figure 6). The fungus is perennial in the pine host and aeciospores are produced annually as long as the host tissues remain alive. Aeciospores are disseminated by wind over long distances, and Ribes spp. as far as 480 km (300 miles) from the nearest known white pines have been infected.


Blackcurrant bans feel too heavy-handed to me. Currants are a wonderful berry, very easy to grow, and one of the easiest woody plants to propagate.


There are plenty of other native berries in North America. White pines are rather majestic trees, particularly the old growth ones. [0]

I’m happy with white pines and raspberries/blueberries, Europe can keep their blackcurrants.

[0] https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/chippewa/recarea/?recid=2667...




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