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Serious question. Does anyone trust Sam Altman at all anymore? My perspective from the outside is his public reputation is in tatters except that he's tied to Open AI. Im curious what the internal rep is and the greater community?


Yes, me.

At least, I trust him as much as any other foreign[0] CEO.

For all the stuff people complain about him doing, almost none of it matters to me, except for the stuff which isn't proven (such as his sister's allegation) where I would change my mind if evidence was presented. What I don't trust is that Californian ethics don't map well enough onto my ethics, which also applies to basically all of Big Tech…

…but I'm not sure any ethics works too well when examined. A while ago I came up with the idea of "dot product morality"[1] — when I was a kid, "good vs evil" was enough, then I realised there were shades of grey, then I realised someone could be totally moral on one measure (say honesty) and totally immoral on another (say you're a vegan for ethical reasons and they're a meat lover), and I figured we might naturally simplify this inside our own minds my saying another person is "morally aligned" (implicitly: with ourselves) when their ethics vectors are pointing the same way as ours.

But more recently I realised that in a high dimensional space, there's a huge number of ways for vectors to be almost the same and yet 90° apart[2].

[0] I'm not American, so to me he's foreign

[1] I really need to move my blog to github, the only search results on Google are the previous times I posted this to HN: https://kitsunesoftware.wordpress.com/2019/05/25/dot-product...

[2] Via trying to calculate the dot product of two Markov chains: https://github.com/BenWheatley/MarkovChain-Dot-Product-compa...


he is a salesman selling midly working snake oil, he was into nft a few year ago and jumped to the new snake oil. everything that elon is claiming now is real. they manipulated opinion and rode open source to train on public open data sources and once they had something they could,market they closed everything. its not up;for debate that is a fact


I'm old enough to remember GPT-2, which they didn't release because they "wanted to set a precedent" for safety and responsibility.

GPT-2 wasn't marketable. They were mocked for it, even.

So it is, in fact, up for debate. So is much of the rest, that I care about.


you might want to google gp2 and github


They were closed source from the start. And he invested in one NFT startup (among many other startups).


Curious why “foreign” was worth mentioning? Do you trust your countrymen CEOs more or less?


Closer alignment with my world view. Due to having grown up in the same milieu for the home country, due to choosing the country in part for its idea of what "good" looks like for the one I moved to.

Also, it tickles me to tell Americans that they are foreign. :P


Yes. I liked him when he was head of YC, I liked him when he was head of reddit for a few days, I like him now. I've never had any issue with him. When they made a capped-profit portion of OpenAI, they explained their reasoning, and I think it's clear we wouldn't have GPT-4 today (or in the foreseeable future) if they stayed purely non-profit.

Hell, capped-profit is more than you can say for any other tech company.




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