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This will sound slightly provocative but I genuinely wonder: why would anyone buy anything else than an apple laptop? Gaming? ideology? budget constraints? lack of familiarity with MacOS?

They are marginally more expensive, but they also very easy to sell second-hand. I'm speculating that the monthly cost is on par with a PC.



Lots of people doesn't see Apple laptops like you obviously do. Ask provocative questions and you'll get likewise answers. For my needs and my opinions:

- The software is worse. Linux is better. Windows has much broader options. I run both.

- I game.

- Ideology? Yes, Apple is an awful company.

- Familiarity? I have used it enough to know it cannot do a lot of things I need, want, like, etc.

- Budget? Yes, but not because it is too expensive, but because it cannot do anywhere near what Linux and Windows can do (for me) for way less.

>I'm speculating that the monthly cost is on par with a PC.

What is the monthly cost of a Mac that can run games, run old software I require for work and hobbies and (importantly) isn't locked down in either hardware or software so I can use it for something completely different later in life?


> What is the monthly cost of a Mac that can run games, run old software I require for work and hobbies and (importantly) isn't locked down in either hardware or software so I can use it for something completely different later in life?

Yeah, the Mac model for long term use is that you sell it later in life so you can get whatever it is that you need later in life. (Not saying that it is a good thing nor a bad thing).


The biggest downside of macOS is that it breaks compatibility with old software so often, compared to Windows which prioritizes compatibility above all else. So if you use lots of third-party apps that are often abandoned but still useful, Mac is a non-starter.


> They are marginally more expensive, but they also very easy to sell second-hand. I'm speculating that the monthly cost is on par with a PC.

They aren't marginally more expensive. I'm writing this on a Chromebook I bought for $300 before the pandemic. Including electricity, cables, etc., I figure it has cost me about $6.50/month.


If you need Windows programs for your work, or need the ports, or want to play games, that kinda answers the question. The Mac laptops are otherwise just better for most people. And the often-repeated "every user is different" is not really true; most people fit the mold.


>most people fit the mold.

Which mould though? I'd say most fit the Windows mould, but I'm guessing you mean the Apple mould.


I mean that most people who buy laptops fit the mold of needing web browsing, email, documents, and maybe file management. They can solve that with Windows, Mac, or maybe even Chromebook. There isn't usually a reason they need one in particular, the Mac just tends to be the nicest option, or the Chromebook if you're on a tight budget.


I don't like MacOS these days, I like the idea of being able to repair my computer if something breaks, and I want the option to at least attempt data recovery if I have a drive failure.


While I can sympathize with you, I'm not seeing myself repairing my MBA. It would be like trying to repair an F1 car. Not doable for the average person and even the constructor just swap the broken piece. I also backup everything important and encrypt the whole disk. I'd say the tradeoffs are worth it for the combination of lightness, quiet, performance, display and battery life I got. It's the perfect portable device for general purpose computing.


And backups seem a lot easier on Mac OS.


Based on "marginally more expensive", I have to say you live in a bubble and likely won't understand the replies.

Just to point out one fact -- people buy $289 Gateway laptops from Walmart and use it as their daily driver.


Reasons for buying other laptop (at least for developers):

1. Better choice of desktop environment (KDE/GNOME vs OS X)

2. Wider/better selection of applications

3. Better development environment

4. Ease of deployment of your own apps

5. Better fit for your budget (why spend 3000 Euros on a limited set of features, when you can spend the same amount and get huge number of features/better features)

6. Capability to connect upto 3 external displays (which Macbook has got only recently)


There's no chance I use a Linux laptop again. The Mac will run all the open source type stuff out of the box most of the time, or if you're really deploying for Linux only then you use Docker anyway.

#2 is untrue unless you're installing Windows. #3, well somehow there's no iTerm2 equivalent on Linux, and the terminal emu is one thing you'll always use even when SSHing elsewhere. #6 is a serious point, though.


Gaming is a big one. Apple has now forced gaming companies twice to do work that is not necessary for a percent of their customer base. Thrice if you are picky.

The picky one is the death of Rosetta 1

Then they killed 32 bit binaries. This is the main reason the little Mac icon on steam is useless.

Then Arm processors and yet another recompile that was probably more than a recompile.

If you buy a windows machine, the last 30 or so years of gaming are available to you. And everything older can be emulated.

For me personally, it's a few things I dislike. I do computer graphics for fun. I like using OpenGL and Vulkan because it's the most accessible both in terms of audience and material available. Apple doesn't support either (OpenGL is deprecated, Vulkan only available via translation layer).

Additionally, and this is probably more problematic because I actually like Metal as an API, I don't live in the high income region of the US. I know I won't be happy with the default SSD. I know I want at least 16GB of RAM (can't run integration tests locally at work with 8). For a Windows laptop I go for 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM. But the added premium makes this really difficult. I'm in Germany so it's not like a Mac would eat up a year of my net wage but it's enough that I'd maybe rather go for the thinkpad.

And if I actually tried to get a bit more beef in my GPU and by a larger model because I think the 13 inch are a bit small, I'd probably spend 3k or 3.5k. That's a maxed out gaming laptop. Really hard to justify the price.

For my wife though? Base MBA all the way.




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