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They are not in the conflict flow anymore. It's been trained out of their system for quite some time. It leads to some naive assumptions about how the world works.

Even the events around the current conflict seem not to have shaken the society, from what I witness. The Green parties wishes on the topic of heat pumps or people coming to their country whose skin color is not white have more revolutionary potential than Russians right around the corner or people blowing up their gas pipelines.

They are too busy with themselves and stuff like that is just embarrassing. It only serves as filling material for your everyday complaining orgy every single morning at work. Stuff a healthy German citizen leaves behind them at Feierabend.




> The Green parties wishes on the topic of heat pumps

... which are the most efficient way to wean us off of Russian gas. The Greens have pushed for years now to get rid of fossil fuel dependencies, turns out they did have a point all those decades.


AFAIK they killed nuclear and pushed towards natural gas (from Russia) at the time.


They never "pushed towards natural gas" and nuclear was killed by the Merkel Government while also stopping all renewable expansion for 16 years.

Nuclear has been replaced many years ago by renewables in Germany. Stop spreading Michael Shillenbergers propaganda.

Germany doesn't need nuclear the same way they don't need Russian gas anymore. You should all cheer for the Greens and for their foresight towards the end of the 90s when they pushed for renewables. Germany would still be struggling without them and Putin's gas if it hadn't been for their push for renewables.


I don't know Michael Shillenbergers. I'm not German and don't know a lot about German politics but a quick research showed me that you said a lot of BS.

To summarize:

> The anti-nuclear protests were also a driving force of the green movement in Germany, from which the party The Greens evolved. When they first came to power in the Schröder administration of 1998 they achieved their major political goal for which they had fought for 20 years: abandoning nuclear energy in Germany. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement_in_Germa...

The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens.

Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

It's no surprise that:

> After the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Schröder was criticized for his policies towards Vladimir Putin's government, his work for Russian state-owned companies, and his lobbying on behalf of Russia. On 1 March 2022, Schröder's entire staff including long-time office manager Albrecht Funk resigned due to Schröder's alliances with Russia and Putin directly. On 8 March 2022 the Public Prosecutor General initiated proceedings related to accusations against Schröder of complicity in crimes against humanity due to his role in Russian state-owned corporations. The CDU/CSU group demanded that Schröder be included in the European Union sanctions against individuals with ties to the Russian government. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der


> I don't know Michael Shillenbergers.

You don't have to. It's a feature of the internet. BS spreads and everybody tries to make it look like they came up with it by themselves.

> The Greens were always against nuclear. It's hypocritical to blame Merkel government as the phase out was planned decades before, Merkel initially wanted to delay it but was faced with protest and backlash from Greens.

Seems you didn't read that much. Yes, the phase out was decided during the Schröder Government (where the Greens were also the minor party btw) but Merkel DID delay it. Then Fukushima happened, and the delay was history, with the same CDU politicians pushing for the end of nuclear. Merkel was in power for 16! years. She didn't stop it before Fukushima (only delayed it for a few years) and she didn't stop it years after Fukushima.

The simple and plain reason for that is that nobody besides a fascist fringe party and their followers want it back. It's done and gone. It's one of the few things in this country where people are OK with it.

Blaming "dem Greens" is ridiculous and yes, it shows that you are not German. You just have no idea. You ate up what Shillenberger fed you and the whole of the internet and just repeat it without bothering.

> Renewables drastically expanded in Germany but if you look at the evolution of German energy matrix you will see that renewables mostly coupled with increased energy demand while nuclear phase out came at a cost of increased usage and reliance on natural gas which naturally comes from Russia.

Besides the fact that renewables have expanded, everything about this paragraph is wrong and you know it which is why you didn't link to the whole page: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...

Also: you might not have realized that but the explosion of NS was 2022 and the natural gas prices have recovered https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/PlattsContent/_as...

It's 2024, and you keep on repeating statements based upon fake news. Or as you say: "BS". We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. Neither in Germany nor in the rest of Europe. Stop spreading fake news.


> fascist fringe party

I suppose you're referring to AfD, which is not fringe, its the second largest party in opinion polls.

CDU and FDP are also pro-nuclear : https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kein-totes-pferd-fd...

> We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore.

BSW is now larger than Die Linke and one of their major policy proposals is about reconciling with Russia to get cheap gas. I think people very much worry about the cost of living.


> I suppose you're referring to AfD, which is not fringe, its the second largest party in opinion polls.

Just like the old news around the shutdown of the last nuclear reactor: those are pools. They catch the current hype or news cycle. They do not represent what people will actually vote for. AfD and FDP learned that lesson already. When will you? I mean, I've just shown you that CDU had 16 years to show that they are "pro-nuclear" with an actual physicist as their leader. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Because nobody seriously wants it. Neither FDP nor CDU. It was good for the news cycle at that time.

> BSW is now larger than Die Linke and one of their major policy proposals is about reconciling with Russia to get cheap gas. I think people very much worry about the cost of living.

Luckily, the AfD with a beard is just as irrelevant as the AfD itself, and this country is not being ruled from the rural areas of the former DDR. So yeah, we don't give a damn and will keep on doing so even if Sarah starts carrying buckets of gas over the border with their tankie followers to sell them to the conspiracy loving Ossis...Don't take me wrong. I love that that party exist. It'll spread the dumbest part of the German population in half making them less relevant which is good for the health of this country.


> We don't give a damn about Putins gas anymore. Neither in Germany nor in the rest of Europe. Stop spreading fake news.

Not true. It was cut by around half but EU still buy Russian energy. Maybe by 2027.

https://www.ft.com/content/1e70ff72-52d8-46b6-a8f4-fcc86fb88...

As often:

* news I don't like -> fake news


So if you move the goalpost to "importing at all" and Germany -> Europe, let's see who is throwing the first stone:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-023-01228-5


They also pushed against nuclear, but pro “low-carbon” hydrogen made using russian gas, and that was after russian invasion https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/revealed-how-ge...


Germany doesn't need nuclear.

It had it replaced years ago with clean renewables you don't have to greenwash first in the same EU committees because your own taxpayer money can't come up with the subsidies required to keep it up, as Nuclear-France did.




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