Well, that's very mature and noble of you on a personal level, but you are apparently very out-of-step with the AMD community and social media as a whole.
Remember - we are talking about 95% consensus that hitting advertised boost only when running NOPs in a loop, or running under LN2, meant that Zen2 wasn't "technically" defective or false advertising. You are an extreme minority here - this isn't an edge-case, this is how people actually think on social media.
And that's the problem - the public perception of all of this is shaped by the AMD social-media hype machine. Whether or not people think it's a "disaster" or a "nothingburger" is primarily determined by how much the AMD fans melt down about it. And they tend to blow up anything intel or NVIDIA to a massive degree.
Smeltdown was a disaster - the AMD prefetch+TLB vulnerability was a nothingburger, even though it was found by the same team and stated to be actually a worse exploit than Meltdown. AMD continued to even ship insecure-by-default and just slip in a small, non-explicit implication that if you cared you should enable KPTI manually (which of course hurts their benchmarks).
Over and over again.
you simply cannot broach almost any "is X thing actually important" without running into this issue - whether it's important depends on whether it favors AMD or not. People will literally flip stances topics overnight once it benefits AMD - more recently with framegen and latency. People will literally go from "unplayable fake frames" to "possibly the best part of FSR" literally overnight.
How do you have tech discussions in that atmosphere? On anything? I don't have a magic wand to fix that, but I'm just begging you here: this is going to be yet another Ayymd shitfest that nobody will remember in 2 years, just imagine that it's AMD in the hotseat and scale your reactions accordingly.
Just like New Worlds wasn't the end of NVIDIA (or even an NVIDIA-specific issue)... just like POSCAP/MLCC wasn't the end of 30-series... over and over again.
The chips have been out for literally 2 years already and the microarchitecture has been out for 3 years. It literally has to be a minor edge case or someone would have noticed it already - segfault on ryzen was noticed within months.
And this isn't a strawman or bait: you've already got people within this very thread winding up about "turning off turbo on intel" and shit like that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39480731
Remember - we are talking about 95% consensus that hitting advertised boost only when running NOPs in a loop, or running under LN2, meant that Zen2 wasn't "technically" defective or false advertising. You are an extreme minority here - this isn't an edge-case, this is how people actually think on social media.
And that's the problem - the public perception of all of this is shaped by the AMD social-media hype machine. Whether or not people think it's a "disaster" or a "nothingburger" is primarily determined by how much the AMD fans melt down about it. And they tend to blow up anything intel or NVIDIA to a massive degree.
Smeltdown was a disaster - the AMD prefetch+TLB vulnerability was a nothingburger, even though it was found by the same team and stated to be actually a worse exploit than Meltdown. AMD continued to even ship insecure-by-default and just slip in a small, non-explicit implication that if you cared you should enable KPTI manually (which of course hurts their benchmarks).
Over and over again.
you simply cannot broach almost any "is X thing actually important" without running into this issue - whether it's important depends on whether it favors AMD or not. People will literally flip stances topics overnight once it benefits AMD - more recently with framegen and latency. People will literally go from "unplayable fake frames" to "possibly the best part of FSR" literally overnight.
How do you have tech discussions in that atmosphere? On anything? I don't have a magic wand to fix that, but I'm just begging you here: this is going to be yet another Ayymd shitfest that nobody will remember in 2 years, just imagine that it's AMD in the hotseat and scale your reactions accordingly.
Just like New Worlds wasn't the end of NVIDIA (or even an NVIDIA-specific issue)... just like POSCAP/MLCC wasn't the end of 30-series... over and over again.
The chips have been out for literally 2 years already and the microarchitecture has been out for 3 years. It literally has to be a minor edge case or someone would have noticed it already - segfault on ryzen was noticed within months.
And this isn't a strawman or bait: you've already got people within this very thread winding up about "turning off turbo on intel" and shit like that. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39480731