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"Niksen": The art of doing nothing (theguardian.com)
102 points by Archelaos on Feb 8, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 81 comments


> I couldn’t find any record of use of niksen in the Dutch language before the late 2010s.

This feel wrong to me, the concept is definitely older. It just went by nietsen instead of niksen, which is (or was) more grammatically correct/formal as niks is an informal/spoken version of niets.

Here is an example [1] from 2006 with nietsen, defined as to do nothing on a grammar forum. And before 2008 [2] as “not doing anything”. Even a use from 1997 [3].

[1] https://www.dutchgrammar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=627 [2] https://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Verbs.Ot04 [3] https://ronald-giphart.nl/vrouwen-zijn-de-baas/


It goes back to at least 1933. This was the first hit on Google:

https://renevanmaarsseveen.nl/14273/niksen-iets-wat-nederlan...


> doing nothing is letting yourself drift along in your environment in the moment without a purpose.

I particularly like this definition. Moments like those I enjoy a lot.


This is a much better article that captures the niks of niksen.


we have the word in Danish. It is used to express 'No' with a bit of slang-vibes to it. Kinda like 'Nope'.

We also say 'Niks'

I think Niksen is the 'cute' word for Niks. The ending -sen is the familiar -sen from 'son (of)' found in 'Jensen' 'Hansen' 'Larsen' or in swedish 'Hansson' 'Larsson'


the -en ending indicates the infinitive in Dutch


Same for german (I think).

We also have nix/nichts which means nothing. And "nichtsen" would somewhat make sense in german, at least I think most people would understand it.


-sen also can be son-of (e.g. Jansen), it's just that niks happens to end in an s.


'Niks' is an alternative version of 'niets', which means 'nothing'.

Niksen is the verbified form, so 'to nothing'.

It has an -en ending like most verbs, unrelated to the -sen ending as in those names.


Reminds me of my favorite parables - When Alexander meet the sage

‘What is your purpose in life?’

‘I am Alexander and I am out to master the earth.’

‘What do you plan to do after that?’ asked the sadhu probingly.

‘I shall take all the wealth, horses and elephants from the conquered lands to Greece’.

‘Presuming you accomplish your goal, Emperor, what next?’

‘I shall take all the men from these wretched countries as my slaves and all the women to regale us in Greece’.

‘What a motivation! All the men as slaves and women as entertainers!’ commented the sadhu wryly.

Not stopping, he asked him further: ‘Assuming you accomplish even that, what will you do next?’

Contrary to his extrovert and energetic nature, Alexander was quiet for some time. Finally, he stated, with an exhalation: ‘After that, undoubtedly I will sit on my throne and relax’.

‘That’s what I am doing,’ said the ‘unusual Indian sadhu’ with a content smile.

Source: https://www.esamskriti.com/e/History/Indian-History/Alexande...


Reminds me of my favorite parable, When Diogense trolled plato:

Diogenes was knee deep in a stream washing vegetables. Coming up to him, Plato said, "My good Diogenes, if you knew how to pay court to kings, you wouldn't have to wash vegetables."

"And," replied Diogenes, "If you knew how to wash vegetables, you wouldn't have to pay court to kings."


Diogenes is a good source for quotes, here is one of him and Alexander:

Alexander went in person to see Diogenes, and he found him lying in the sun. Diogenes raised himself up a little when he saw so many people coming towards him, and fixed his eyes upon Alexander. And when that monarch addressed him with greetings, and asked if he wanted anything, "Yes," said Diogenes, "stand a little out of my sun."


Indeed: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/diogenes-quotes

My favorites:

"In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face."

"As a matter of self-preservation, a man needs good friends or ardent enemies, for the former instruct him and the latter take him to task."

"Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anybody's feelings?"

"The great thieves lead away the little thief."

This guy would have been king of ancient Twitter, banned and reported everyday.


In RuneScape this parable is captured in the meme: "now you can finally play the game" - usually said sarcastically after a very long grind.


That saying didn't originate with RS, it has showed up independently in various games over many years.


Conquering was his Zen flow state


Theres no such thing as flow state in zen. "Flow" is the absolute state of being distracted and nothing to do with zen.


I'm newly retired. My friends ask me if I'm bored yet. My reply is always the same: You never have enough time to do the things you don't need to do.

Things like reading HN, such great articles, most of which I don't need to know, but fascinating none the less. Sometimes someone will not like a reply I made, who cares? (I do love the replies!) I'm not asking for anything, I'm just being.


I retired a few years ago and I'm as busy as ever. It's like a prolonged weekend: there are far more things I'd like to do than time to do them.

The best part, however, is that I can suck at everything. When I had a job I felt a ton of responsibility to meet a high standard in everything I was paid to do, but now I can afford being an absolutely moronic beginner at everything I attempt, because ultimately it doesn't matter. It's liberating.


> When I had a job I felt a ton of responsibility to meet a high standard in everything I was paid to do

Do you think you could’ve learned to not feel that? I feel fine doing an OK job as long as my OK is the standard my employer expects.


That is a great question that gets to the root of it.

I have a rather anxious response to work, probably because of how much was at stake earlier in my career. I was an immigrant with a flimsy work permit that meant if I lost my job I would have to move to another country, with the added stress of being the only income in our family with no real prospect of my wife being able to find a job that would cover our expenses either. We couldn't count on anybody else helping us out either.

It was a lot of pressure, and my fear-driven response was to work as hard as possible and save as much as possible. I got lucky and ended up effectively retiring at the age of forty. Do I recommend it? No, it was a pretty miserable experience. But those were my circumstances and I did what I thought was best for us.


Thank you for this amazing, inspiring answer. However I need to disagree with the "it doesn't matter" part. Your creations, projects , endeavors whatever they are still do matter, especially as they might come out amazing in the end, because without the constant pressure to perform and adhere to various rules you can feel free to experiment, try unconventional approaches, being liberated like you have said.


"It doesn't matter" in this context doesn't mean "It has no value", it means "There is nothing at stake".

For example, I can afford to be a lousy jogger, because nothing bad is going to happen if I don't become faster. I couldn't afford to be a lousy engineer, because my family could end up homeless in a foreign country. That was the reality I lived at the beginning of my career.


I too understand "suck mode". When I was working, a lot of focus was about my job and preparing for the work week. Now I have the time to concentrate on new ideas and projects at a faster pace, some of which get me out of my comfort zone, which I really enjoy. The stress I feel now is because I make it, not my former job.

<It's like a prolonged weekend> I tell my friends it feels like I'm getting away with something!


Well said!

Due to family circumstances i had to take "retirement" from the industry for the past decade and focus my life on care-giving. So w.r.t. studying Philosophy/Science/Technology/etc. i have been in this mode for a while and it has been quite enjoyable intellectually. Nassim Taleb in one of his books calls himself a "Flaneur"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur) which i think perfectly embodies this mindset i.e. a intellectual stroller/dilettante interested in anything/everything, cursorily exploring/diving deep into whatever takes his fancy and in general being an observer rather than a participant. The goal (if any) is knowledge for knowledge's sake and not money/job/status/etc.

One suggestion i have for your retirement is to buy lots of books on any/every topic that catches your fancy. Books are cheap, last forever, helpful to the next generation and intellectually rewarding at many levels.


I've recently switched to part-time working 4 days a week, and I'm in the same space as you. I do actually have an extended weekend - because I'm still working - and it's great to be able to do all those things that I don't need to do :) strong +1 on just being


Same! I do 3.5 days so I've been free since lunch time yesterday. It's wonderful.


Quite a privilege retirement is, enjoy it sir


I’m in bed hearing rain drops on the roof, watching lightning flash across the sky and listening to the rumble of a planet whispering sweet nothings in the vast nowhere.


Are you in a Northern semisphere? That rain should be a snow if not some climate trend.


There's a difference between weather and climate.


There's plenty of places in the northern hemisphere (?) where that rain "should" not be snow.


Not really.

Snow is pretty rare in Ireland/UK winters, rarer in Ireland. Due to the Gulf Stream and such.


Wat zit jij weer te niksen! Niksen is heerlijk if it doesn't last too long :).

Niks = nothing. Closely related to procrastination but not exactly the same. It actually helps getting/regaining focus and relieving stress.


When I procrastinate I usually still do something. Something more easy or fun. When I niks, I do absolutely nothing.


I like articles like this. Because they taught me, a native Dutchman, that I should take similar articles about cultures I’m not familiar with, with a grain of salt as well.

Anyway, it’s a pity that today it wasn’t sunny while ice skating on my daily commute.


How do you do it—in layman’s terms? Is it like meditation, or is there a more active method?


I'm a native Dutch (Flemish) speaker. For me 'Niksen' means you're doing something without intent/purpose and with low importance. You can watch a movie, just because you don't know what to do and you're filling the time, maybe your mind is wandering to other things while watching. Or you can watch a movie because you want to see it, like going to the movies instead of watching at home. Only the former is 'Niksen'.

'Puttering' is an English term which I feel is closely related to 'Niksen' but not exactly the same. With 'Puttering' there's always an action. But with 'Niksen' you can be sitting in a chair, looking around, 'doing nothing'.

I would even argue that meditation is not 'Niksen', because with meditation there's intent. It's actively calming yourself down.


Matches the German concept of "Nichtstun" (doing nothing) fairly well :) (It's not surprising, what with us being neighbors)

And just like 'Niksen', that too is without deeper intent. You just hang. Closest I can come in English is probably 'idling about'.

You do or don't do stuff. Your brain is meandering about. You don't really care about time passing.

It's definitely an art form, most people get bored after a while - true masters can do days on end ;)


I would add that it's "doing nothing important". Like when someone asks: What did you do today? And the german answer is just "Nix" ("Nichts", aka. nothing important)


It sounds like what we call "timepass" in Indian English, and also loan in other Indian languages. It's a very popular word and has made it into the Oxford English Dictionary as well.


I was thinking 'timepass'. Or more laboriously in other English dialects 'just passing the time'.


> because with meditation there's intent. It's actively calming yourself down.

This really is the Silicon Valley definition of “meditation”. Not what it’s meant to be.

True meditation seems to fit the definition of “niksen” perfectly. “Calming oneself down” is a side-effect of it, not the primary goal. As Alan Watts said (I paraphrase) - meditation has no purpose. You just do it because you’re grooving with the eternal now.


For one, it depends which definition of "true meditation" you're thinking of. Adyashanti has a method he calls "True Meditation", which is in the "do nothing" class of techniques but it has a not-doing kind of focus to it (or "non-interference with the present moment" as he calls it). It's not a low-importance kind of non-doing though, and though it tends to become restful as one progresses, the path to getting there is not necessarily restful. It seems to be similar for other do-nothing methods, such as the Zen practice of Shikantaza.

GP cites watching a movie while one's mind is wandering as an example of Niksen. That doesn't seem to fit any definition of meditation I'm aware of.


Right. People claim to be studying Yoga/Buddhism and treat "Meditation" as an "activity" to be done with goals/schedules. That is quite the wrong viewpoint. To paraphrase the Bhagavad Gita; "practice motiveless action".


There seems to be many ways to interpret what meditation means across cultures. To me, born and raised in SE Asia, niksen as described in the article is not the same as meditation. There are significant overlaps however. For example: sitting in a train station and __observing__ the train go by - this is a form of meditation and could be a form of niksen. However, as I wash dishes, I can meditate by focusing on every little details of what I'm doing: this is a spoon, I'm cleaning the handle, next is the tip, now I'm cleaning the bowl, etc.. This is not doing nothing. I'm doing something. I'm just very present.


Yes, I think we are agreeing in different words. Words are a funny thing, no?


If pressed, I would use "loafing" in English. Defined as "spend one's time in an aimless, idle way".


It's just "hanging around" or so. This kind of article is strange, they take some extremely mundane word and make it seem like it's some mystical foreign concept.



Happens to Scandinavian languages as well, I've read Americans articles mystically talking about fika, hygge, lagom, and probably a couple of others.


From Dutch we've had uitwaaien, gezellig and now niksen.


For me it's about clearing my schedule. Completely. Not even chores or hobbies. It helps to start with a walk, something to take you out of the daily grind.

I often end up doing something hobby-like, like reading a book, some gardening, maybe even some woodworking. It's all about creating a moment where you can be in the moment.


It is related to what is called "no-mind" in Hinduism/Yoga/Buddhism. Also see "Mushin" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushin_(mental_state)

The idea is that when something "takes" your mind you just focus on it to the exclusion of everything else i.e. no judgements, past, future etc. When your mind "moves" to the next thing it drops everything (with no residue) and gets "fully filled" with the new thing. This happens instant to instant leading to a state of "enjoyable peacefulness".


How did you do it when you were a kid? Just stop trying to convert your time into something else.


This whole article says nothing about what it actually is.


To me it is intensionally doing nothing and enjoying it. It can still include something active like walking around a bit, but without much thinking and without a goal. Enjoying whatever you see. Its being in the moment.

Disclaimer: did not read the article but am Dutch


Are you asking how to do nothing?


I tried retirement and fulltime niksen after I sold my first company when I wasn’t even 30; I got bored after less than a month and started a new company after three. I am 50 now and I really dislike niksen; I have so many things I want to still do that I find doing nothing a stressful waste of my life. Nice it helps others; I find it annoying and it stresses me out. I cannot believe I (or anyone) will be on my deathbed thinking ‘man I wish I did less’.


Time You Enjoy Wasting Is Not Wasted Time

Source for the quote: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/11/time-you-enjoy/


It’s Italy’s dolce far niente, but with less style.


It does sound better but style is also not doing things which seems hard when uhh.. doing nothing.


Would say that dolce far niente is just nietsen/niksen but dressed up a bit sweetly ;)


funny noone mentioned Winnie the Pooh and the zen there of..

  "I like that too," said Christopher Robin, "but what I like doing best is Nothing."
  "How do you do Nothing?" asked Pooh, after he had wondered for a long time.
  "Well, it's when people call out at you just as you're going off to do it 'What are you going to do, Christopher Robin?' and you say 'Oh, nothing,' and then you go and do it."
  "Oh, I see," said Pooh.
  "This is a nothing sort of thing that we're doing now."
  "Oh, I see," said Pooh again.
  "It means just going along, listening to all the things you can't hear, and not bothering."
  "Oh!" said Pooh.

"do nothing and nothing will be left undone" is the ancient chinese thing, except that Nothing there means not-a-thing :/ which is more like every-thing..

https://web.archive.org/web/20190319105206/http://www.alangu...


"Time pass" is a common enough phrase expressing having no intent and doing nothing. Obviously, evenings are the best for it in the cities/towns


Slack: the SubGenius art of doing nothing effectively.


What are the differences between a meditation and between just doing nothing?


Meditation is something you purposefully do, as in you would put a daily half hour of meditation in your calendar or something. Meanwhile you cannot plan niksen, if you do it on purpose it is no longer niksen.

Also, in the west, meditation is often seen as something you do to clear the mind so that you can be more productive later. Niksen has no such association in Dutch culture, it's just unproductive full stop. Note that Dutch culture is much less focused on productivity than US culture, so this does not necessarily have a negative connotation.


Focus and intent?


In Chicago this was sitting on your stoop


'Stoop' is also a Dutch loaner, so, maybe :)


The "authority" on niksen is a woman who wrote a book and has a career revolving around the concept. How ironic.


Really not ironic at all unless you think the leading authority snails or planets needs to be a snail or planet...


go out on the side of mountain and dont think of work and let your mind wander freely.


GPT3 came up with "Downtime" or "Taking it easy" for English.


GPT3 weet niks.


Exactly! Even GPT3 knows niks!

And though it's nice to have dutch on the front page of HN, I don't think there's much of a cultural insight to be had here. (Unlike say "Gezellig" or "Gunnen", for instance)


GPT3. How 2020.


This anglosphere obsession with single-word concepts in other languages like they're somehow transcendant things that don't exist in the English-speaking world (see also: Ikigai, Hygge, etc) has to stop. It's cringe.


It always seemed to me that perhaps the Anglosphere tends to consist of both many secondary speakers and many primary speakers who don't speak any secondary language. This creates an environment with both an interest in bits of other language and speakers able to supply those bits.


If it's not a Japanese made-up term then it's a Nordic made-up term, and if not that then resort to Dutch (honorary Nordics, I guess). At least they've lost their obsession when it came to made-up German terms. Anglo mass-media is so predictable.




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