Yeah indeed, and in fact I just edited that out because I realized I had it wrong. EDIT: turns out I edited the next thing out, the "defense" thing is still in. Keeping it on because otherwise this gets even more messy.
ANYWAY I think you made your point clear and we agree, sorry for messy edit commenting here :)
FWIW I clicked "vouch" on your response to them, I have no idea why it got flagged into oblivion, it's the kind of nice concise nuanced point that I wish I could make :D
not to argue, but I want to be really really really clear on this. I did not come to their defense. Please see my direct reply to their comment.