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> which take money for services they don't deliver

They are delivering a service.

> This particular behavior is little better than taking money and simply refusing to provide service

No it's not.

> No matter how awful or shameful, people say 'it's business' and those magic words absolve every evil

No, they don't.




I see that you disagree with the parent comment. I would like to know why. Could you provide some details as well?


Not the op, but, if you pay me $5/month for a VPS, and you never do anything but let it sit idle because you forgot about it, and you don’t notice that you’re still paying me $5 / month… how exactly does that make me evil?


Because you are taking money for nothing? How is that the right thing to do?

> evil

A bit of a strawperson


How do you know its doing nothing? I have a couple VPSes I have sitting idle for my disaster recovery scenario.


Yes, it depends on the situation - the service, what the vendor knows about usage, etc. Sometimes you know, sometimes you don't.


It is quite concerning that this comment is so high up.

It is lazy, doesn't provide any additional explanation for their reasoning. It is useless and basically just says "no".


Perhaps, but all I'm doing is reversing the equally unjustified claims in the parent. Ironically they've lamented unjustified claims in the sibling comment to this one, but their post is chock full of them.


How are you supposed to know that they're unjustified when the (at that time) top comment is just "no"? Are you supposed to accept the superiority of some anonymous commenter, or is the fact that they just "need to" post "no" and therefore show that their opinion must be superior?


I was that commenter who said no. I was replying to equally unjustified assertions. Just because my reply was shorter, does mean it contained fewer justifications.


No.


It's pretty common on the Internet and on HN too, and in public debate. Aggressive, confident assertions deny others the power to disagree.

Contempt and shame - super-popular rhetoric these days - achieve the same thing, and they are related (both kinds of rhetoric are an aggressive display of arrogance). They assert, implicitly, that there's no way to debate this person.

Anger is another similar tactic.

Then if you don't understand that it's tactical, you give up. So far, to my amazement, very few people seem to understand it; almost all take it at face value.




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