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He went from calling something success to “making the most of it”.

You’re assuming I’m a nihilist and I’m not. I’m going to die, but I don’t kill myself.

In my opinion, if we looked at peoples success and failure as all based on luck, we would be much kinder to each other.




That would be a horrible society.

High achievers getting zero credit. Moping losers blaming their failures on “bad luck”. Zero reason to strive for greatness because you’ll get sympathy if you fail and jealousy if you succeed.

No thanks.


This tells me a lot about you as a person.

Let me tell you how I would see it. High achievers, knowing that they’re successful based on lock would be more helpful to people who didn’t have good luck. This would turn out to be a more stable and even society.

I guess you like the separation of wealth we’re experiencing right now?


Sadly, without a strong impetus to strive upward, there won’t be any high achievers to mooch off of or blame when things go wrong.

Everyone gets a steady stream of good luck and bad luck. Consistently sailing upstream towards success takes a lot of grit and determination, something completely lacking in the minds of those who think they’re at the mercy of their circumstances.


Well, I hope one day if you’re down on your luck, someone lend you a hand. I know I would.


I’ve been lucky lots of times in life.

I’ve been helped by many, deserved and undeserved.

But to remove the role of agency from success is an overreaction.

The extreme right says life is a perfec meritocracy. The extreme left says it’s all down to luck and power dynamics. As usual, they are both wrong and it’s a healthy mix of both.

But since agency is the only thing you control, it’s best to focus on that.


I’m not removing the role of agency from success, as long as luck is on your side.


I wonder what someone like Viktor Frankl would think of all this.


On the average, only those prisoners could keep alive who, after years of trekking from camp to camp, had lost all scruples in their fight for existence; they were prepared to use every means, honest and otherwise, even brutal force, theft, and betrayal of their friends, in order to save themselves. We who have come back, by the aid of many lucky chances or miracles - whatever one may choose to call them - we know: the best of us did not return.

Viktor E. Frankl

He would say he was lucky.


I'm frequently astonished by the sheer force of some people's desire to be unhappy.

Viktor Frankl is an amazing example of someone taking an absolutely shit situation and applying some agency to it to make it better. My entire point is even he had good and bad luck, and chose not to focus on that, but on his zone of control, his agency.

If it is in fact your contention that Viktor Frankl - Viktor Frankl - was lucky, then there's really no point in any further discussion.


I’m not calling him lucky, he called himself lucky. I literally just showed you the quote where he said he was lucky.

I’m not demeaning his agency everything is written but if he wasn’t lucky, we wouldn’t be able to read anything he wrote about his experience.


Great! You've circled your way around to agreeing with me.

A man in the most unlucky circumstances looked for the ways in which he was indeed lucky, and then went on to turn that into a good outcome.

Pure agency. Luck had nothing to do with it.




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