Sadly they aren't continuing Microsoft's Surface Arc Mouse. As far as I know this is the only non-Apple mouse with a scroll surface, and not a physical scroll wheel.
Apple's patent on touch sensitive mice (8279176B2) doesn't expire until 2026.
One day physical scroll wheels will be a thing of the past.
The Wedge Touch Mouse, which has a weird wedge shape and runs out of a single AA battery also has touch sensitive (vertical only IIRC? haven’t used it in a while) scroll as far as I can tell.
I can't edit my post anymore but since this was downvoted I want to elaborate that I meant this seriously. I wash my hands before using my computer, and my peripherals don't get dirty. I also don't eat at my computer desk.
There was a bit of a dark age but by now there's way better keyboards than the MS ergonomic.
One discontinued MS peripheral that is still quite sought after but not in that list would be the Trackball Explorer[1]. There's sadly very little competition in the large trackball space. DIY designs are starting to crop up[2], but it's nowhere near where the mechanical keyboard scene is today.
Mx Ergo is great as a thumb trackball, the Kensington trackballs are well reviewed, elecom has the giant mice and I think l-trac mice were bought out by x-key and they still exist and you have ploopy that came out of diy from Reddit.
Try it again if you have it in a drawer, its funky to get use to like re-training a muscle. Maybe try the Ergo Plus instead, I don't like the rubber material on the top but the added angle has my hand resting on it naturally.
I stopped using it a month ago, after having a pain in my thumb that was there constantly and I never had. Now, it does not hurt anymore. I do have the mx ergo plus.
I never had any problem with any mouse, it is the fact that I need to move the thumb so much. Also I might have a job which is more intensive in mouse than most people coding.
Or perhaps is that the "celtic hand" runs in my family and it is not good to use. I am afraid I will have to sell it, which I don´t particularly like because it costed me quite a lot.
I have a pair of Kensington Expert Mouse full size trackballs (optical, 4 button with scroll wheel, and USB) that are both over a decade old and still work great. Kensington still seem to sell this same model.
Oh god...you brought up what I pushed far away. That echoing pain though the whole floor. You couldn't even talk him out of it because it's sooo healthy....yeah maybe for your wrists, surely not for my psyche.
I would kill for a USB re-release of the venerable Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro, still the best joystick I have ever used.
In fact, I still have mine in the closet. The only reason I haven't used it is because no computer these days has a game port. Maybe I should investigate USB adapters...?
I love Microsoft hardware and I have been using their peripherals since the late 80s. Logitech is also very good, but never had quite the reliability and simplicity combined with innovation of Microsoft's hardware products.
My first mouse was a Microsoft Mouse bought around 1987. It continued working for many years and I've only stopped using it because screen resolutions increased too much for it to handle.
Seconding this. I've been using a Logitech gaming mouse for several years full time without problems (other than the software), and then I bought one of Logitech's consumer line, a Marathon with a super-long battery life.
I thought it was broken - the mouse turns the sensor off if you stop using it for a few seconds, leading to noticeable delays when you start using it again. And the polling rate is so low that it seems to skip some movements, like the old mice with the physical ball you had to clean.
I also had one of the first Logitech "Laser" mice which was unable to track consistently on any surface, worse than the optical mice it was supposed to replace.
I dunno their mice are ok. I've got a G203 on the PC and an MX Master 3 on the mac and they are both excellent. The G203 is the best mouse I've used since the MS optical mice.
Only downside is you have to turn all the RGB lights crap off on the G203.
This is one of those cheap "everything is bad" takes. I recently had two mice: a logitech g pro which was great, and now a logitech mx vertical which was also great.
What does it take to make a mouse wheel that doesn't shit the bed, and who's making it? I'd just like to give them some obscene triple price and be done with mice.
almost every logitech product I've bought in the last 6 years has failed early and while their warranty is honored, having to go through it for basically every item is very frustrating compared to just not having the issues with mouse and keyboard switches.
I think their products are priced on the assumption they have to send you a replacement because the failure rates are so high.
Still looking for good replacements for everything.
I’m not sure if you’ve also needed up with bad logitech mice but apparently that’s not poor build quality but rather logi choosing to use a reduced voltage, preventing the sensor contacts from properly getting “wetted” leading to eventual rust/oxidation build up. Sandpaper ought to fix it in theory. Still sucks though, not defending logi for the weird decision.
ya I understand I could get new switches or somehow fix these, but its one of those 'even if they honor the warranty, how many times am I interested in dealing with poorly designed and failing peripherals'.
The first time you replace something under warranty you feel good because wow they honored the warranty. The 6th time you realize the products themselves have design flaws and being replaced under warranty is just hassle my life doesn't need, especially at the prices logitech charges for their products.
My last remaining logitech product is a g603 I bought for $30 at costco and it will likely be my last logitech product until they can demonstrate they're not building things to fail early anymore.
Incase bought a dead end. I don’t understand the love for these classic products outside of nostalgia and habit.
The peripherals market made massive strides since these were in their heyday. These were solid mid-range options years ago but they’re just not competitive anymore.
For the same price as the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard you can buy a split ergonomic keyboard with real mechanical switches. You even get multiple switch choices.
Microsoft had a respectable product line but the market has caught up and surpassed it.
This reminds me of those Unicomp IBM keyboards. I bought one, thought it was great at the time, but later on bought a more modern-design mechanical keyboard. In comparison the Unicomp keyboard was so clearly an inferior nostalgia product: louder, heavier (in a bad way), and worse key feel and travel than the vast array of switches available on the market today.
Perixx Periboard-335BL is the one that I found on Amazon, $59. Seems like the same idea but with the mechanical switches. Admittedly it’s missing a number pad.
I owned an MS ergonomic keyboard around 10 years ago and those membranes are so mediocre.
My overall point is that if you’re spending $60 on a membrane keyboard you’re so close to being able to afford a mechanical one that I’m not sure who that $60 product is for.
Last year I bought a Microsoft Intellimouse Pro which I really, really like. Besides being a tad heavy it has been a pleasure to use. I didn't know Microsoft stopped making mice and keyboards. Such a bummer.
I wonder what some alternative brands would be. Logi has been terrible for me in reliability.
The Pro IntelliMouse is basically a minimalist gaming mouse, so that's the market to look at. Unfortunately its competitors tend to be more expensive, less reliable, and sometimes (in the case of Razer at least) require horrible software to function properly.
They actually restarted production of those at one point if I recall correctly. The ones with the little red led at the front. But I guess the design was really too dated now
I did not realise MS stopped selling computer peripherals.
The "Sculpt Ergonomic Mouse" gets a lot of mixed reviews more on the negative side but it's the only mouse that helped with my wrist pain - the combination of its angle and it being fairly large is what does it.
The only problem is that the mouse button wears down after about a year, it's repairable with some superglue but the clickiness changes.
I hope the two I have last until onward starts selling them.
Been using the surface precision mouse for years now and it's just so good, great functionality, comfortable and looks very sleek. I'm sad that Microsoft is discontinuing this line but I'm happy that they will live on elsewhere.
Yeah, hopefully this fixes that problem. I've been using MS Ergos for 15+ years, I'm on my fourth one. The keys work fine but all the paint wore off so now I'm worried it might die before I can replace it.
I went from Microsoft ergo 4000 to cloud9 mechanical ergo. The key layout is so similar! No learning curve. A big dial in the middle which I've gotten used to though.
Does anyone have / setting aside the space for Kbd's like the Ergonomic? There are way better designs available than this plastic bomber from ~two decades ago.
There are plenty of other ergonomic keyboards than those of Microsoft, but all of them cost many times more than a Microsoft keyboard and they are also hard to find at any shop in many places.
If you are willing to pay over $100 for a keyboard, then the existence of Microsoft keyboards becomes irrelevant, otherwise they have been a very useful option for many.
Apple's patent on touch sensitive mice (8279176B2) doesn't expire until 2026.
One day physical scroll wheels will be a thing of the past.