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I agree with your overall ideal of free access to information but I disagree that harassment is a necessary or even effective option to push against this. I think the harassment puts us in a category of ineffective, bitter malcontents and that’s not what we are.

We are capable of going to elsewhere to free and open access to information, and we would be better off spending our energy on positively influencing others to follow us in that direction. They can’t take away tcp, http, ftp, irc and all the other protocols that these megaliths have built their empires on, and we can still use those tools even if it’s a demoralizing regression to move back to the basics. Giants like google, Amazon and others depend on our unwillingness to rebuild. Let’s use our efforts and our ingenuity to show them that they’ve underestimated us.

We have the tools, we have the knowledge. Let’s be builders instead of petty complainers.




We’ve been doing that for years, larata_media. Decades, even.

And what do we have to show for it? Our tools power their botnets and they flaunt the CoCs in our faces when we try to do something about it as “not constructive”.


Every time you see someone abandon an open source project, one of the biggest reasons is people suck and ask too much, harass, etc.

Therefore, one of the most efficient ways to kill a dangerous new standard is to endlessly harass anyone who works on it.

Sorry, the poor individual can not hide from their responsibility.



We must believe in ourselves. We are too quick to be cynical about the future of the web - too quick to forget our ingenuity in the face of adversity.



> a category of ineffective, bitter malcontents and that’s not what we are

There are enough top voted people demanding harassment in this and other threads to say that well, maybe that's what HN is, actually.


Well we can build something too but first we need to get rid of these people.


Please don't do this here.

More explanation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881929

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881081

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36881034

In addition: could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait generally? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.




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