I see this ad nauseum in the weekly "f*ck cars" thread. Some young ideologue wants to create their personal utopia by banning cars, parking lots and highways and building trains.

> People like their cars. I don't think they want this

"They would like subways more"

> Are you sure about that? Phoenix is geographically massive. People tow their boats, horses, and trailers to remote places here

"That's not very green of them"