That's a very silly question. "No phones in school" is no different from any other rule the teachers have to enforce in class.
Let's try the same question, with another rule, to make the point;
"Imagine a teacher stops some kids from beating up another kid; if that happens how do you think they will feel about the teacher that did that? Do you think that kid will see eye to eye with the teacher after that?"
At some point there will be a need to set boundaries. That's the essence of socialization and necessarily a part of education. Teachers will have to set boundaries and enforce rules, that doesn't have anything to do with phones.
>That's a very silly question. "No phones in school" is no different from any other rule the teachers have to enforce in class.
Few school rules come with the deprivation of your property though. Taking away a phone "for a week" as you suggested would be that. We had a kid who reported a computer crime to the police (a threat of violence). The police took his computer as evidence I believe. I don't think he's ever reporting something like that to the police again.
>"Imagine a teacher stops some kids from beating up another kid; if that happens how do you think they will feel about the teacher that did that? Do you think that kid will see eye to eye with the teacher after that?"
This point is ridiculous though. This rule protects other children, whereas the phone rule, especially the confiscation rule only affects the kid in question. Ie you're saying it's for their own good, but I bet that in 20 years the evidence will be a wash - that there really was no huge drop off in ability linked to phones in that generation.
>At some point there will be a need to set boundaries. That's the essence of socialization and necessarily a part of education. Teachers will have to set boundaries and enforce rules, that doesn't have anything to do with phones.
Sure, how about boundaries where the government doesn't make such insanely stupid laws? They're eventually going to use phones anyway in their daily life. It will be a constant thing next to them.
Ultimately you have to remember that the vast majority of students do NOT choose to be there. They're forced there by other laws. And while it is probably a good thing that they are there, it still feels akin to a prison for many of them. Pushing them down harder doesn't make them appreciate you more or necessarily improve the quality of their education.
> Few school rules come with the deprivation of your property though.
You obviously never used a super soaker in class. There's plenty of stuff that will get confiscated if you use it in class. For good reason.
> there really was no huge drop off in ability linked to phones in that generation.
I dare to disagree. See linked research. Smartphones are dangerous.
> Sure, how about boundaries where the government doesn't make such insanely stupid laws?
I don't think that a law (or more likely; a regulation or advisement) to disallow mobile phones in the class room is a "insanely stupid" idea. "Insanely stupid" is - it seems - in the eye of the beholder.
> Ultimately you have to remember that the vast majority of students do NOT choose to be there
Kids are not adult. Kids don't want to eat greens, kids don't want to go to bed, kids don't want to brush teeth. Kids don't want to go to school.
> Pushing them down harder doesn't make them appreciate you more or necessarily improve the quality of their education.
No, but getting mobile phones out of the class room will. There's plenty of evidence that links "display time" with depression and suicide[0], attention and literacy deficits[1] and addiction[2].
Let's try the same question, with another rule, to make the point;
"Imagine a teacher stops some kids from beating up another kid; if that happens how do you think they will feel about the teacher that did that? Do you think that kid will see eye to eye with the teacher after that?"
At some point there will be a need to set boundaries. That's the essence of socialization and necessarily a part of education. Teachers will have to set boundaries and enforce rules, that doesn't have anything to do with phones.