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EVs are still relatively expensive, but even the ones priced closer to an average car price are remarkably quiet, feel quick, and ground-up EV designs offer more space.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Ami_(electric_veh... (~$11k)

EVs aren't inherently expensive, the issue is that the industry tends to advertise and equip EVs as a status symbol and price them as a luxury, rather than focus on simple/cheap designs that would have more impact on emissions.

That's not only EVs, the way the industry pushes SUVs is also painful. But it's really annoying to see what could be a great improvement wasted with regards to the challenges we're facing.


A more appropriate example is the Renault Zoe (starts at 30k euros in France) or the Dacia Spring (starts at 16k euros in France) which are actual cars that seat 4-5 people, and have 200km+ range (more than enough for the vast majority of trips taken).

> EVs aren't inherently expensive, the issue is that the industry tends to advertise and equip EVs as a status symbol and price them as a luxury, rather than focus on simple/cheap designs that would have more impact on emissions.

True, but the main issue here (according to manufacturers, at least in Europe), is supply chain issues making smaller cars unprofitable, thus forcing them to focus on bigger more luxurious models with bigger margins.


Indeed, although one priced closer to an average car would have basically zero of the features in the original poster's review.


A standard-issue Tesla 3 with no optional frills checks these boxes:

seat 5, has lots of storage in the trunk + frunk, an 18" screen, self driving is great, the phone placement is the most optimal I've ever seen in a car, no key needed (just walk up to the car and it knows you are you because of your phone, or use a credit card style key), and the audio system is outstanding. Oh, and the white interior looks like a space ship, makes no noise, has long range, has a screen in the front to watch Netflix and YouTube.


This is not what the GP was talking about and a standard model 3, which is less then half the price of the car they described, it’s still luxury priced and until this year? Was about double the average American car price.

I would sincerely hope when your paying that much you get a good car.


Factoring in EV incentives, in places like Oregon a Model 3 is literally the same price as a Toyota Corolla these days.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/2023-tesla-model-3-cheap-toyota...


Oregon doesn't currently offer any EV incentives so it's not clear to me why it'd be cheaper here. Article must be outdated?


That doesn’t change the real price of the car and what you should expect from it.


You shouldn't factor in incentives. That's not a change in the price of the car, that's splitting the cost between multiple buyers - one of whom is the taxpayer.


I dunno. If the car doesn't come with a number of these, you can add them. And some are pretty useless - they aren't selling points.

Especially things like going 200 mph.




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