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Let's see Tesla's growth rate when they're closer to Toyota's size. And speaking of meaningless numbers, who cares about market cap? How does revenue compare? Toyota is about 3x, I think?


They're literally responding to someone commenting about stock price

Tesla sales growth currently seems limited by their ability to produce, so that's fairly bullish

Market cap isn't meaningless, though. Neither is debt. Market cap should be a function of assets, so presumably if Toyota had as little debt as Tesla it would be ~480b market cap.

Why is Tesla higher? It has a better story (not saying I buy it, but at least I can explain it!):

Better self driving prospects (data + compute), licensing charger design, huge growth numbers


At one point, Tesla was worth more than: Toyota, Volkwagen Group, Hyundai/Kia, General Motors, Ford, Nissan, Honda, Fiat Chrysler, Renault, Suzuki, Daimler, BMW, Mazda and Mitsubishi combined. (Plus several Chinese manufacturers: SAID, Geely, Changan, Dongfeng).

I'd love anyone to justify that with a straight face.


The justification is simple but you won't like it: retail investors enjoy owning Tesla more than they enjoy owning any of those other stocks

There are lots of reasons for that enjoyment, but I'm not sure they matter


Tesla is the only company significantly ahead of its competition in technical specification.


Well no.. They don't have better self driving prospects. Tesla claimed in 2016 that the driver was only in the seat for regulatory reasons. We're now in 2023 and Tesla is still only level 2, nowhere near autonomous driving.


> Let's see Tesla's growth rate when they're closer to Toyota's size.

Not sure what point your trying to make, though. Smaller, faster-growing companies usually do trade at a premium over their larger, slower-growing counterparts. That's just... kinda how the stock market works?

You can certainly object to the magnitude of the difference between the two companies' PE ratios, but otherwise nothing seems weird here.


Let’s not forget Tesla dropped prices like mad to make these sales.

The Model Y Performance was $69,990 last year and now costs $54,490.


True. Tesla may only be making 7x per Toyota per car instead of 15x


My whole point was to care about enterprise value and growth rate over market cap and p/e




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