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> your groceries are fine being out in the heat for 20 minutes

It's not 20 minutes. It's 20 minutes more than the normal trip duration.

That 2 hours rule seems to be health related. But a lot of food gets bad much before it becomes unsafe to eat.

Anyway, city traffic is not caused by people getting to a grocery store. That's all a red herring.




> That 2 hours rule seems to be health related. But a lot of food gets bad much before it becomes unsafe to eat.

Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period.

> It's not 20 minutes. It's 20 minutes more than the normal trip duration.

Tomato tomato. It's a negligible time period. Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours.

> Anyway, city traffic is not caused by people getting to a grocery store. That's all a red herring.

City traffic is caused by people driving cars. People drive cars to grocery stores.

City traffic isn't caused by bike lanes, buses, or trains either. That's all a red herring.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2019/jul/0...

[0]> But fluid and traffic are not the same thing, as shown by 60 years of governments trying and failing to road-build their way out of congestion. The idea of induced demand – more road space brings more cars – has been known for decades, and it also works in reverse. This is especially so with bike lanes, which are such an efficient use of the same space that they can often mean the same amount of space carrying more people overall.

[1]> Yes, traffic jams have worsened in some cities where bike lanes have been built, but studies show this is largely down to other factors, for example the growth in the number of Uber-type private hire vehicles and Amazon delivery vans.

[0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/induced-travel-de...

[1] https://content.tfl.gov.uk/understanding-and-managing-conges...


> Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period.

Ice cream that somebody already said around up-thread is an example. So I guess you are not very open to them.

> Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours.

There is a lot of difference between 30 and 50 minutes. But yeah, if you compare it to a decade, it's irrelevant too.

> City traffic is caused by people driving cars. People drive cars to grocery stores.

People drive cars to go to work and school. But yeah, why talk about 95% of the problem when we can focus on solving the 0.2% of it.


I agree with you, especially because the crux of the matter is convenience of car versus public transit.

Cars are VERY convenient, so public transit needs to be on time, frequent, and very close by to compete. The other option is to make cars inconvenient, which is politically unpopular.




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