> Now why do you assume Russia will simply exterminate any living being in the territories it just taken?
Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?.
> Why do you assume Ukraine has to sit waiting without doing anything in the meantime? Ukraine can build up forces as much as Russia can. Ukraine could join NATO as well. There are countless solutions to your problem that don't require any lives to be sacrificed for it.
You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that.
> Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?.
You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars.
> You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that.
> You know you are saying this in bad faith. What should we be saying of the American war crimes in the middle east? You wouldn't come to the conclusion that the USA in general commits war crimes "for kicks" right? War crimes happen during war times. To stop the crimes, end wars.
Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars.
Now can you state that Russia should leave Ukraine and stop raping and torturing its civilians?.
> Then call it peace instead of ceasefire.
Why not peace with hitler?. You and all the other Russia supporters on here have the same energy and would have instantly capitulated the Sudetenland to hitler but I’m sure he will stop!.
The answer for why not peace?, Ukraine wants peace, a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population in flagrant violation of the Budapest memorandum inside its border.
Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?.
> Nice whataboutism but I have already stated on here multiple times what I think of Americas wars.
Not whataboutism, you're parroting the word without knowing what it means. I'm just saying that war crimes happen in any war, even when supposedly civilized nations fight.
> Why not peace with hitler?
Putin is in no way Hitler, modern Russia is no nazi Germany. If you don't understand the difference, please go study some history, I won't debate you on this.
> a peace without the army that raped and tortured its way through its population
This is an extreme exageration. There have been war crimes as in any other war. To say that the Russian army has systematically been doing this is a lie. The Ukrainian army is responsible of war crimes as well.
> Would you give up part of your house to the person who raped your children or would you fight back?.
This kind of idiotic comparison has no ground in reality. We're not talking about a house, Ukraine has no "children" as it is a nation, and if you really want to insist on the pathetic children analogy, "fighting back" requires tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands more children to die.
Would you sacrifice tens of thousands of your children to take back your house? See how groundless an analogy that is?
> Not whataboutism, you're parroting the word without knowing what it means. I'm just saying that war crimes happen in any war, even when supposedly civilized nations fight.
I think you don't have a clue what the word means, if you think the scale of war crimes that Russia commits happens in "any war, even when supposedly civilised nations fights" then you are blind and clueless.
> Putin is in no way Hitler, modern Russia is no nazi Germany. If you don't understand the difference, please go study some history, I won't debate you on this.
I don't know they really like flying there Z swastika high and proud, they are indoctrinating their children with a hatred for a nation of people and to fight in the future. They regularly call for the answer to the "Ukrainian question".
> This is an extreme exageration. There have been war crimes as in any other war. To say that the Russian army has systematically been doing this is a lie. The Ukrainian army is responsible of war crimes as well.
This is in no way a exaggeration we know that Russia regularly tortures civilians, filtration camps have been Russias modus operandi for decades now, just look up the filtration camps from chechnya to know what these monsters are capable of.
> This kind of idiotic comparison has no ground in reality. We're not talking about a house, Ukraine has no "children" as it is a nation, and if you really want to insist on the pathetic children analogy, "fighting back" requires tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands more children to die.
So whats your plan to get Russia out of Ukraine then? let them have whatever they want and let there crimes against humanity and the people of Ukraine go unanswered?.
> Would you sacrifice tens of thousands of your children to take back your house? See how groundless an analogy that is?
I would fight back, and not bow down to tyranny and terrorism from the new authoritarian beast. Sounds like your plan is for Ukraine to lay down and just let Russia do whatever they want.
> I don't know they really like flying there Z swastika high and proud, they are indoctrinating their children with a hatred for a nation of people and to fight in the future. They regularly call for the answer to the "Ukrainian question".
There are extensive documentaries predating the war on the Ukrainian Fascists that use Nazi iconography - Right Sektor, Azov, etc.
> This is in no way a exaggeration we know that Russia regularly tortures civilians, filtration camps have been Russias modus operandi for decades now, just look up the filtration camps from chechnya to know what these monsters are capable of.
In war the first casualty is truth.
> So whats your plan to get Russia out of Ukraine then? let them have whatever they want and let there crimes against humanity and the people of Ukraine go unanswered?.
Russia is taking all the ethnic Russian areas of Ukraine, which means 4 more oblasts.
> Sounds like your plan is for Ukraine to lay down and just let Russia do whatever they want.
Ukraine is historically Russian though the borders have been fluid on the west flank where it fell under the Mongols, the Polish, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Duchy of Lithuania.
> There are extensive documentaries predating the war on the Ukrainian Fascists that use Nazi iconography - Right Sektor, Azov, etc.
Same with Russia Nazi fascists everywhere, just look up the Wagner PMCs great SS lightning bolt lapel tattoos.
The difference is the Z swastika in Russia is promoted and run by the government.
> In war the first casualty is truth
There’s truth and proof to everything I’ve said but I get the feeling you would deny the existence of concentration camps in WW2 by spouting the same nonsense.
> Russia is taking all the ethnic Russian areas of Ukraine, which means 4 more oblasts.
So your answer to getting Russia out of Ukraine is to give Russia parts of Ukraine.
Russias actually lost its positions in massive amounts of land in Ukraine already in the past counter offensive and will lose more this time.
> Ukraine is historically Russian though the borders have been fluid on the west flank where it fell under the Mongols, the Polish, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the Duchy of Lithuania.
What is this horseshit, Ukraine existed before Moscow was even on a map.
Because evidence suggests they do this for kicks sometimes. They have already slaughtered their say through Russian speaking towns why wouldn’t they continue to do this?.
> Why do you assume Ukraine has to sit waiting without doing anything in the meantime? Ukraine can build up forces as much as Russia can. Ukraine could join NATO as well. There are countless solutions to your problem that don't require any lives to be sacrificed for it.
You cannot join NATO whilst having active territorial disputes and a ceasefire is exactly that.