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Your point is bullshit. Anyone who can rent can afford to own. I’ve owned half a dozen properties at this point and it’s clear that Banks just do as much fuckery as possible to make lending impossible to anyone that doesn’t perfectly fit their mold.

How about a system that doesn’t primarily benefit property owners?



I dont think thats correct, as a recent homeowner.

The deposit requirements are high to get a loan, now yes, we could change that thru subsidy or guaranty by the government.

But what about maintenance? renting is turn-key, even when your mortgage is lower than rent, you still have the unexpected costs that appear?

In the six months I've been here, I've had to replace or repair:

Garburator

Cooktop

Oven Coils

Shower Controls

Sink Faucets

A couple circuit breakers

Sprinklers (all of them, 80% of them were broken)

Also, yard maintenance is this ongoing battle, between tree droppings, grass mowing, and weed abatement (some of which you must do, like dealing with noxious vines).

If you wanna fix a greater social ill, the issue isn't 'benefitting owners' its that people have been conditioned to treat their home like an investment rather than a place to live and prosper in. Property Values shouldn't be going up 5x faster than inflation, but they have been for a couple decades.


You realize all those costs are baked into the rent right? Even with cost distribution among multiple properties or multi-family complex, the per-service fees often exceed what you would pay a tradesman and the lack of flexiblity drives certain costs up in renting situations like limitations on modifications.

In my experience (Owned 3 homes, rented 4 homes) it’s net-net between renting and owning across multiple factors including overall cost, and think I’m near the mean when it comes to handiwork - so it’s not like I’m doing all my electrical and HVAC myself and I’m in an expensive area.


Thats kinda my point..

Yes, all of the costs are just baked into rent. They're not baked into a Mortgage, and people dont get that so they end up buying as much house as their rent was, and then get over their skis when they suddenly need to cough up 15k for a new roof?

If you're in the position where even paying the rent consistently is a marginally difficult problem, even if lending standards are relaxed sufficiently, how is this person going to pay for a new roof unless the price of that loan is subsidized to the point that it either has a zero or negative interest rate?

Not everyone can buy - either because of the work required, or because of the financial outlays needed. Also to be honest, not everyone wants that responsibility.


Are you aware that many homes don't have in-ground sprinkler systems or garbage disposals?


In the states not having a garbage disposal is a relative rarity, but I'll give you that. Sprinklers are a regional thing.

We also had to replace:

Drywall due to mold issues

Leaking Laundry Valves (see above)

A leaking hose bib which necessitated sweating on new fittings

New fittings on the hot water heater (to add a shutoff)

Various other electrical work (replace outlets, retorque loose neutral, brought grounding most of the way up to modern code - house had no buried ground rod)

To make my point further - I've had many of these issues at an apartment, in my time living in apartments I've had the following work done in or around my unit:

Replacement of in wall heater

Replacement of Garburator

Replacement of Hot Water Heater

Replacement of Shower Vales

Replacement of AC Condenser

Replacement of Dishwasher

Replacement of Hot Water Heater (and remediation of the water damage from it)

Replacement of Water Faucets

Replacement of Load Center (Fuse Box)

Repair of Refrigerator and Stove

Installation of new landscaping (new sod, bushes, etc)

Repair/Replacement of Sprinklers

Repaving of parking area

Replacement of Roof

Painting

Replacement of Siding

Cleaning of HVAC Ducting

The total cost to me on all of these issues was zero dollars - and thats my point. Those multitude of repairs are not free when you own your home, and can often be quite costly.


Generally from what I've seen if people are buying a home that needs a lot of work they get a slightly larger mortgage to pay for repairs


our place needed more work than we expected based on inspection, you live and learn.


> Anyone who can rent can afford to own.

> How about a system that doesn’t primarily benefit property owners?

Why would anyone want to own their house in a system that does not benefit them?


So you can do whatever you like, within the zoning and social restrictions??




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