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> the current ruling party is straight up unironically fascist and descends from the same political party that inspired the german nationalist socialist party.
This is false. There is no link between the German Nazi party and BJP. If you are talking about RSS, the link comes from a quote in a book published in 1939 (well before the world found about the holocaust) by the RSS founder [0]. Admiration for Hitler and his Nazi party in the 30s wasn't unique to the RSS founder [1][2].
Golwalkar was also supportive of allies in their war against Nazis and supported the formation of Israel.
Also Golwalkar is 100% pro-nazi, he only went against them later for gains.
"German Race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races -- the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." (Golwalkar, MS, “We Or Our Nationhood Defined”, Nagpur, 1939, p. 45)
The whole point was that most of the world was pro-nazi until the events of WW2 and the holocaust. And if you are comparing someone's views in the 30s to the current worldview, I hate to break it to you that everyone's racist and fascist, including Roosevelt, Churchill and MK Gandhi. Gandhi pretty much called for the Jews to offer themselves up to be butchered by Nazis and Arabs.
Ironically fearmongering that there's an imminent genocide is one of the justifications used by the the Government for internet shutdowns and censorship. Law and order is precarious in most parts of the country and anybody can spark an unrest by sparking rumors and it spreads like forest fire causing riots and loss of life.
Last I checked India was home for second largest Muslim population, and population has only been growing, more than other sections of societies in India.
Sure things aren’t same for Muslims post 2014 and people should raise their voice. However for every Muslim atrocity, there is one against Hindus or any other religion. Should we take comfort in that? Absolutely no, but this genocide nonsense is utter rubbish.
You should be the one presenting evidence of planned genocide. And proper evidence, not some bullshit he said she said. Maybe some leaked papers from the Indian Government showing attempt to arm mobs, moving battalions of the military or the paramilitary expressly for the purpose of mass murder etc.
“the current ruling party is straight up unironically fascist and descends from the same political party that inspired the german nationalist socialist party.”
Oh can we stop with this bullshit? In hindsight Nazism is an almost cartoon like singular epitome of pure evil but in its day it was considered by many throughout the world not just in India to be a cutting edge political philosophy whose ideas were to be taken seriously.
Nazism like many other ideologies including some varieties of Hindutva was an offspring of 19th century Romanticism. The idea of one’s culture having a primitive yet glorious mystical past was appealing to many freedom fighters the world over and implied nothing about their feelings towards Jews or German expansion etc. Similarly the superficial adoption of e.g. the swastika doesn’t imply Germans were rushing to make a yatra to the Himalayas.
In fact the most prominent example of a “Nazi” Indian is not any RSS member but Subhash Chandra Bose. His nickname Netaji is a direct translation of “fuehrer”! He died in the Burmese jungles where, bankrolled by Berlin, he was trying to open an attack against the British colonial regime. However he wasn’t so much pro-German as he was anti-British. And that’s how India remembers him; as a freedom fighter. A couple of years ago he briefly came into the news in the US because Saikat Choudhary (the architect of the Democrat party’s “Green New Deal”) wore a t-shirt with his picture on it. When a “fascist” is on an ultra-leftists apparel, the word fascist has lost all meaning.
I’ll leave you with an assignment. Find out about the prominent Indian Muslims of they 1930’s who made pro-Nazi comments. It’s an interesting historical exercise (especially their reasons why.) but I don’t think it would reveal much about the views of todays Muslims. Do you?
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> In hindsight Nazism is an almost cartoon like singular epitome
Not that singular, even in its time, which is why we usually call the more general thing that it is an example of by the name of its Italian contemporary and ally.
Let me restate my point. A persons reasons for supporting the Nazis in 1933 may be quite different from the reasons you think people are pro-Nazi in 2023. So such comparisons don't add very much to the discourse.
lol what? There have been plenty of Hindutva terror incidents, one as recent as the day before yesterday, when 3 men killed a couple of undertrials in front of live camera and then went on to scream the terror warcry of "Jai Sree Ram".
> If this is “fascism” as you say, majority of the Indians are happy living under it.
Do you have a sense of irony? Majority is always happy under fascism. It is the minority who matters in that case.
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This is failure of law and order. What bothered me is how liberal media portrayed these individuals.
The primary identity of individuals killed is undertrials (as you rightly mentioned) or murderers or criminals, and not lawmakers or MPs as portrayed by these headlines.
For those crying oceans, read this Twitter thread. These two “undertrials” were monsters of the worst kind who killed anyone with impunity. Shame on people who support such monsters just because they happen to share the same religion. https://twitter.com/Sanity_3/status/1647304754002010113?s=20
The 2 brothers who were killed were notorious gangsters involved in 100+ cases of murders, loot, kidnapping etc. At least read-up before trying to win with your ignorance.
India has Buddhists, Parsis, Jains, Zoroastrian as “true” minorities. They don’t have any problems in India. In fact they are among the most prosperous folks.
Why is that only Muslims have problem everywhere on the globe? France, US, UK, Israel and the list goes on.
Few months back, in a similar fashion a Hindu Don was encountered by the UP cops. All Hindus still supported the cops.
For people like you, if the person is a Muslim irrespective of whether he is a terrorist, serial murderer he should be supported at any cost.
And don’t club Sikhs and Dalit among yourself to look good. They have a far larger contribution to society and don’t cry victimhood at any given opportunity.
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