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We want it to answer truthfully and impartially I.e. not showing favoritism to leftist talking points and politicians, and artificially censoring talk of right wing ideas.

It's really not complicated.



I honestly can't tell if this reply is satire.


Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas? Or do you mean that reality (= all the data it has ingested as its training data) has a well-known liberal bias?


> Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

For example:

"ChatGPT Declines Request for Poem Admiring Trump, But Biden Query Is Successful" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poe...

Dozens of similar examples have been found


You should be happy to hear that GPT-4 no longer has at least the problems depicted in the snopes.com article. It effortlessly gave me a poem praising Trump.

It didn't give me a poem admiring Hitler, though, so I guess some bias remains.


What does Hitler have to do with anything?


Oh ok. So you just want it to say what you believe is right and not say what somebody else believes is right.

I suppose this was clear at the start of the discussion, but it's always nice to be certain.


If you would like ChatGPT to talk about the mid-century Germans, it would be consistent if you support free speech.

I tend towards free speech, but I'm also a realist - the boundaries of speech are ultimately decided by power. It's no surprised then that Silicon Valley Leftists wish to use their power to surpress the deplorables who they despise. Lumping those people together with Hitler simply serves as a convenient fig-leaf for this activity.


That's an excellent goal, certainly.

I just think that purely from a technical standpoint, allowing a bot to praise Hitler, Trump or Stalin are pretty much the same thing, as the undesirable parts of their policies are about the same. They were all into populism, nationalism, authoritarianism, propaganda and a cult of personality -- how could an LLM tell these people apart by just analysing the raw data?


> I just think that purely from a technical standpoint, allowing a bot to praise Hitler, Trump or Stalin are pretty much the same thing, as the undesirable parts of their policies are about the same.

What? Are you for real? - not just trolling? This is a childrens story-book understanding of the world. What echo chambers have you been stuck inside? How did you become so radicalised?

For you to accuse anyone else of propaganda, when this is the narrative you're repeating is frankly astonishing.

It's not the first time I've encountered people who speak as you do, but it's shocking every time it happens. How did this happen?

As a Brit watching all this with dismay, it makes me wonder - how can America go on like this? - when so many people say that they sincerly believe that a new incarnation of Hitler was a sitting president for 4-years. If this is truly your view of your countrymen - half the population of the US who voted for him, how can the country continue? The best we could hope for is a peacible parting of ways, and a two-state solution.

> They were all into populism, nationalism, authoritarianism, propaganda and a cult of personality -- how could an LLM tell these people apart by just analysing the raw data?

The LLM was able to tell the difference very easily, because Trump, Hitler and Stalin are all completely different. It took human intervention to deliberately impose these rules to prevent the LLM from drawing a distinction.


Rrrriiiight.


Indeed I am.


It's an artificial censor which I thought you were against.


...you don't know anything about what I am against.

It's about politics, not censorship - politics is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

I guess it's not surprising that ChatGPT would be immediately politicised - there's really nothing that liberals are not willing to do to spite the deplorables.

It's just the way I was brought up. I'm still always tempting to believe in the myth of neutral institutions. Even though this clearly no longer exists anywhere any more (- if it ever even did in the first place), it's still surprising to see these games being played out each time.




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