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increasing seat density does just that so suck it up.

No.

Airlines in my country (Canada), exhibit the behaviour I described. Greater profits, zero real savings for consumers, and cramped seats.

Thus, again, hand wavy stuff re:environment, is not the cause. Assertions otherwise are 100% wrong.

Airflight does not need to be cramped. If you wish to push this narrative, the narrative of "good! cramped is good cause environment", then I suggest you start with more effective places.

Such as, limiting hot water usage, temperatures in homes, the size of homes, the size of cars, bus seating, the ability to use anything but your feet, for short (1km) trip distances, and on and on and on.

All of these will do far more, immensely more for the environment. And will be far less onerous than cramped airline seating.

EG, drop all indoor temps, by law, to 60F in winter, and just wear a sweater.

Of course, you'll get little traction making people take lukewarm showers, so instead, you want me to have aching knees for a week after an airflight. And no, this problem isn't rare in my country.

Shame on you!




Canadian airlines are not special. Air Canada has a negative operating income. They don't make shit.

Since you seem to be missing the point, let me make it simple for you. If you have 100 passengers and two plane types, one can seat 100 passengers in a economy configuration, and another can seat 50 passengers in a business configuration with more room, and all 100 passengers must fly, which is the more efficient one? Which one is going to be double the price? Which one makes the airline more money (hint: neither)?

Aching knees? You poor thing. Fly business class then, it's available to you, but don't pretend like you care about the environment.


Before the pandemic, Air Canada was highly profitable, with a 50$ CDN share price, and making deals to buy other airlines.

Don't confuse asset write down, and other chicanery, for loss. Not when they're buying up airline after airline.

I care about the environment, yet you're making my point here. You equate "caring about the environment" with "making change no matter how small, everywhere, in every thing, without focusing on big issues first".

An example, getting the US, for example, to reduce hot water usage even mildly, would do more for the environment than decades worth of "make people's knees hurt", "adding two seats to rarely full planes" mentality.

Hell, here's an idea which would save, in one month, more than those extra few seats in a decade (which are only used on full flights.. a rare thing).

Pass a law, that airlines must share flights if not full enough. That is, if a flight is less than.. 65% full, then the flight by law is cancelled, if competitors have a closely timed route, but, also by law, a competitor must take those passegers and kick a commission to the originating airline.

That's actual change. That's actual savings. That's less convenient, but no, you'd prefer to make my knees hurt. And care to assign cost to the poor, if people don't want that.

And again, I have flown plenty, and have only once seen all seats occupied.

How many flights have you been on, fully seated? Be honest!

No. The truth is, profits (force people to pay for seats with more legroom, like as doors and such).

End of story.




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