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I appreciate how important it was in the past, but in the era of inexpensive and powerful LED flashlights, streetlights do seem rather redundant and wasteful.


I was under the impressions that street lights promote safety by reducing chances of person to person crime. It’s harder to hide in the shadows and get away without people seeing you with streetlights. So a handheld flashlight doesn’t solve that problem.


Absolutely does. Here's the data to back that up https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/projects/crime-lights-study

I feel this push for being able to see the Milky way every night fails to recognize the realities of urban life in non-matcha latte neighborhoods


The problem is that extremely powerful lights, as many cities are tending to more and more, can actually create more blind spots and makes it harder for our eyes to adjust to those dark spots. If cities adopted more, weaker, warmer lights we'd likely see much less damage to the ecosystem AND increased safety


Maybe the non latte neighbourhoods need streetlights. But we could get rid of them in the latte neighbourhoods.


Modern LED's are so darn bright, the right handheld flashlight might as well be considered a weapon.


In typical night conditions, a single Nichia 219-series LED at full drive would temporarily flash-blind someone with just a quarter of a second of exposure.


This is true, and among high-power LEDs, the 219 series is typically chosen for its color rendering and tint, not its output or intensity.


Maybe in rural environments, but they're quite important in urban environments


Do people in the US just walk in the middle of the road ?


I know some people think this is a silly question but the answer is, in my experience, yes. That's both in urban and exurban environments, in my experience.


For that they first would need to walk ...


Not usually, but sometimes cars drive too close to the edge of the road, and the road has no sidewalk.

And despite good advice (or simply due to a momentary circumstance), some people walk at night with dark clothing. You can turn a corner a hit a person very easily if they are in any half of your side of the street.


Depends on the road. My neighborhood has no sidewalks. I prefer it. Prevents the cars from acting like they own the place.


The critical question is, do people in the US just drive on the sidewalks?

(It's impossible to walk on sidewalks in a city without crossing streets every block, and that's where car/pedestrian conflicts occur)


> do people in the US just drive on the sidewalks?

I think you must first ask, "What percentage of roads in the US have sidewalks?" It's nowhere close to 100%.


estimate for me, is it closer to 20, I really dont know.


I live in a small village in the US, pop. ~1,000. I'd guess that less than half the streets within village limits have sidewalks.

And of course outside the village it's miles and miles of fields and forests with none.

Urban life is very different from rural.


Street lights aren't just important for cars? Imagine being a woman walking around a city at night in the dark by yourself




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