Obese people just need to refrain their argument. Instead of saying “it’s a disease, genetics, etc that prevent me from losing weight even when I drastically reduce my validly count” (this is simply a losing argument) and instead argue “genetics makes it very very difficult to stop my mind from Cindy sky thinking about food and thereby reducing my caloric intake. I’m simply unable to stop eating. Genetics makes it impossible to stop.”
If they did that we could stop arguing about CICO and all this thermodynamics crap. Going against those is a losing battle. Just focus on your inability to stop eating and you’ll get way more supporters.
No, I think you need to realize that someone who is overweight could literally be eating the same or less than you and working out the same or more than you and still become overweight. That's all I'm trying to get across. You simply need to realize that biological variation is enough that some people with much stronger willpower than yourself may in fact become obese while you remain a healthy weight.
Significant biological variation is real, but very unlikely to mark the different between obese and healthy weight.
It’s an enormous divide between those two categories, and we have about a thousand behavioral contributors — mant of them social and difficult to escape —- that plainly play a bigger role than biological variation.
If you can’t manage to lose those last 20 pounds, it might be some underlying metabolism or gut difference. If it’s 59 or 100 pounds, then there’s almost certainly something else at play and an honest diet and activity survey are very likely to raise concerns.
I think anyone can do it, barring some serious medical reasons. But my point is, for some it is very easy, others not so much. I say this as someone who could drop 30 lbs easily with diet and exercise when I was younger, but now find it much more difficult.
And the variation can amount to quite a bit. All it takes is time. An excess 100 calories a day adds up to 10 excess lbs in a year. 5 years down the road and you are 50 lbs overweight.
You should be more measured, that would make your argument more acceptable. You cannot product 10kg of fat from eating 1kg of broccoli...
Moreover : so how ex-obeses who became more "average" do ? A genes therapy?
And I am not referring to people who had some surgery but those who could lose tens of kgs.
From another angle : so obese people weighting 200 kg also eat like anyone else, but just have a very inefficient metabolism?
NO.
Of course not. But one person could eat 10 kg of food and gain 5 lbs, while you eat 10 kg of food and gain 4 lbs all else being equal.
And yes, you can become overweight eating the same thing as someone else simply by having a more efficient metabolism. Unless you believe that there is absolutely no variation between humans, which would be ridiculous. All it takes is a 1% difference in BMR to amount to 25 excess pounds over a year's time all else being equal.
If they did that we could stop arguing about CICO and all this thermodynamics crap. Going against those is a losing battle. Just focus on your inability to stop eating and you’ll get way more supporters.