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Ask HN: Concise, pragmatic baby manual for first-time dad?
51 points by strix_varius on Feb 6, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 119 comments
Our baby is due in September and I want to be prepared. What is the best data-driven, tactical field-guide that you found before becoming a parent?

I've started reading a few, but there's a mountain of choice and so far, these books are about 80% fluff. They pontificate like recipe websites, despite having no ads in the pages. I'd ideally like to find a book that goes over:

1. What I need to do

2. When I need to do it

3. Why it's important

4. Absolutely nothing else

I'd especially like to avoid pseudo-science / instructions backed up by no data, paragraphs congratulating me on being a modern participatory dad, and anecdotes.




Even though it's something that's not much talked about in public the first thing I would recommend doing, and I absolutely hope it won't happen to you, is not to get too attached yet. You're still very early, 10 weeks probably, and the chances of having a miscarriage are far from zero. For me, I wasn't prepared at all, it was the saddest I've remembered ever feeling. After that, having done some looking things up, it's not uncommon and something that regularly happens.

Other than that, the single most useful advice someone once gave me was whenever baby is throwing tantrums, won't stop crying and you feel like it's stressing you out, maybe making you a little angry, always remember that baby is not giving you a hard time. It is _having_ a hard time and there's nothing baby can do. No ability to deal with that whatsoever, it needs your help. It's a mindset that helped me take the edge off many times in the beginning and became natural later on.


This good and uncommon advice. We had a miscarriage a day after the ?th week, when it's widely viewed as safe to "go public" and also a day after when my wife posted pics of the ultrasounds and stuff on social and went public. It's hard enough living it in private, the public part was the worst part because long after you got over it you still have people asking you "when are you due?" and having to reexplain it and hear their condolences, so on.


> still have people asking you "when are you due?"

This seems like a topic where it's good to assume that if they haven't told you, you shouldn't ask. People who are expecting or trying for a child will be excited enough to want to talk about it and if they haven't brought it up, there's a possibly sore reason for that.


I'd like to speak a bit more about miscarriages, not to jinx the OP, but because this is rarely spoken about in the public. I don't meant to instill FUD, but rather, I'm trying to help others along with their own journey. I am going to use as plain a language as I can, not because I am trying to be cruel, or glorifying "harsh truths", but because I have found speaking plainly and simply helps a lot with grieving.

In my journey with my wife, we have had two miscarriages. The grief I felt also took me by surprise.

Early on, my wife would say, "we got pregnant!" At the time, I thought that was silly. Sure, we conceived, but biologically, she was pregnant and I was not. And I said so.

Well. I was wrong.

When the first miscarriage happened, the grief took me by surprise. How could I feel a sense of loss, when I am not the one biologically carrying the baby? Yet, that sense of loss was there. And it was then I realized, my wife was right -- we got pregnant. This was more than biology.

While my wife's body was starting to change in obvious ways, more subtly, so was my role. It wasn't just my wife's body changing to accommodate a growing body, but we together as a family was changing to accommodate a child, and that include changes with me.

Well before the birth of the child, I was already a father. When the fetus died, that loss as a father is real, and so is the grief that goes with it. When my wife's body expels the corpse, that's a birth. And before the birth, there was a death.

When the fetus dies in the uterus, current medical practices won't induce that birth without a medical reason, so the mother will carry the dead child until her body naturally gives birth to it. For her, she's carrying that reminder for at least a few days. As the father, there may be some biological distance from there, but this is part of what the family experiences together.

My wife and I ended up doing a small funeral and wake. We named the baby, buried it on our lands. Funerals don't help the dead; it's in honoring the dead that funerals help those who live on.

OP, if you are reading this:

You are already a father, even if you have yet to hold your child in your arms.

And, the next major milestone is viability. Your wife probably knows which week that will be. This is the period in development that the child has a shot of staying alive even if not carried to full term. In between conception and birth are also check ups your wife will go through, including an organ scan and the glucose tests.


The problem is you are not having "a baby" you are having "your baby" and each one is different. Also there are a million opinions on every subject you'll have to decide for yourself which side of the argument you're on. And it's impossible to decide just by reading ahead of time. I'll give you a great example from a friend who read ahead of time that glass bottles were the way to go, plastic bottles leak chemicals into the milk and are bad etc. After the 3rd glass bottle to break all over the floor he changed his mind and decided broken glass was more dangerous than plastic!


You get this with diapers as well. Years ago, when cloth diapers started to become a thing again for environmental reasons, I tried to do the best research that I could on this.

For me, where I live, cloth diapers were not so great. If you have access to a good, convenient diaper service, then yes, the savings in water/power probably come out ahead. I did not, so disposable were better; even though they made a more permanent impact in a landfill, they made a smaller overall impact. It's not as easy a problem as one might think, and I tried to do the best I could. And, for what it's worth, the cost either way is more or less a wash.

All of my kids were fantastic sleepers. Some kids aren't, and nobody knows why. My kids were good eaters, not all are. Dunno why. I try to resist the urge to tell people the way we did things is the correct way, because it's possible that we just got a good roll on the dice on those things.

There are a lot of gimmicky things out there, and a lot of gimmicky ideas. You won't know if they work for you or not until you try them, and they may work for reasons that are completely unrelated. "Be flexible" isn't much of a plan, but it's the only one that works consistently because it isn't much of a plan.


I hear you, but I wonder if like in most fields, there are some basic truths that can be relied upon, but that total "juniors" will be ignorant of.


I agree with commenter that there's a good reason general advice doesn't exist. I have some tips for the first couple of months that I collected in an iOS note after the second kid, but they're all little practical things that are pretty personal and make me sound like a crazy person, which to me proves the point.

Baby tips

- have some of the next size diaper around so you can try it earlier instead of making the kid wear too-small diapers for a week, leaking everywhere. this happened to me every size transition

- precut a bunch of little rectangles of paper towel for butt cream application

- pump and use a bottle or just use formula if the baby is having a hard time eating in the first week, don’t let the breast dogmatists scare you

- early tummy time with them kneeling on the bed, head on your stomach. it’s easier and they can actually lift

- keep a box of gloves near the changing table. rather than leaving someone watching them on the table to wash your hands, just take off the gloves

- changing table in your bedroom (we didn’t do this the first time)

- don’t wear slippers in the hospital, wear something harder you can really clean

- soap bottles for bath should have pumps for one-handed operation

- don’t be afraid to give tylenol when they’re sick. there were several times we held off when we absolutely should have given it

- try to avoid having too many visitors in the hospital. you need to sleep or at least rest instead. we had both our families visiting the first time and it was so much worse than covid-era visitation

- they like to be swaddled much tighter than you think you should

- bring velcro swaddle blanket to the hospital

Products

- cardinal gates stairway angle gate

- teether thing you can put fruit in

- phone tripod for facetime

- bottle washing box for dishwasher

- hand pump is a cheap way to relieve pressure

- lanolin and hydrogels

- velcro swaddles and then sleep sacks

- Dutailier glider

- a decent otoscope is handy to have around (you are constantly wondering whether they're cranky because they have an ear infection) but it's _very_ hard to see an infant's eardrum


> - changing table in your bedroom

Unless you want the child in their own room as soon as possible. If you can hear your child from your own bedroom having a room dedicated to the child is a good way to keep a little bit of space to yourself and your partner (and stop your bedroom from smelling like baby poop and wet wipes).

Some people are into what's known as 'attachment parenting' where you keep the baby in a cot directly adjacent to the bed with one side which can be lowered for emotional attachment or something. If you really want that, look into the safety issues and buy the right gear.

There are also people who advocate sleeping in the same bed as the baby. Those people are idiots. Don't listen to them.

> - phone tripod for facetime

For whom? Not for the baby unless one of the parents is away for weeks on end, that's for sure. Babies don't need digital devices. Toddlers don't either (introduce music of course). They'll spend a large part of their lives glued to a 'smart' black rectangle in all likelihood, no need to rush it.

> - Dutailier glider

> - a decent otoscope

Better: don't buy large expensive stuff until you actually need it. Often you don't. Ask people in your family about stuff you actually need, and stuff some people might need. Every baby is different.


Can you elaborate on why you think that people who sleep in the same bed as the baby are "idiots"?

In most non-western cultures, the mother sleeping in close proximity to the baby is the norm and anything else is considered quite unusual.


Because traditionally, the risk was either considered acceptable or misunderstood. Co-sleeping causes a lot of unnecessary infant deaths (actually, not reputedly; look up the advice on this topic in most countries), and a lot of national health agencies strongly recommend that babies have their own crib.

Just because it is or was normal in some cultures, doesn't make it safe or a negligible risk. Ignoring evidence-based guidelines for something like this just because it feels better is perhaps not the best way to go about it — I would say 'idiotic'.

Sleeping in close proximity can be done in other ways, like the co-sleeping cots that one can put next to the parental bed. It's still not necessary or even good for the baby really, but at least it can be done without unduly increasing the risk of child mortality.


As a father of three, all of these things are great.

Keeping a change of clothes and a couple diapers in the car is another thing to recommend, you will eventually forget the diaper bag, or forget to reload it. Having last ditch emergency supplies is a lifesaver.

I'd add a NoseFrida as another product, those bulb type snot suckers have poor control, and get disgusting on the inside. It's a bit weird the first time, but it works a treat.


I don't agree with your advice about Tylenol, it has zero medical benefit.

Lowering fevers is not necessary in any way, does not protect, it does not help heal, the best you could say is maybe it makes a baby (and child) a bit more comfortable. But in exchange the illness lasts a little bit longer.

And this is not my personal opinion, this is what the best available studies say: fever reducers have no medical value.


It’s more about helping them sleep and stop crying.


For most illnesses, you are correct, reducing a fever is unnecessary. However infants and toddlers are at risk for febrile seizures should their temperature increase too high, too quickly. In those scenarios (fast rising temp) there is considerable medical benefit to intervention.


What you write is commonly believed, but not actually true. There is no medical benefit to intervention:

"The most consistently identified serious concern of caregivers and health care providers is that high fevers, if left untreated, are associated with seizures, brain damage, and death. It is argued that by creating undue concern over these presumed risks of fever, for which there is no clearly established relationship,"

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/127/3/e20103...


Can you link to some of these studies? This medical advice you are dispensing online disagrees with what I've been told by doctors and nurses.

Also not sure if you have a kid but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that making a sick infant comfortable is not worthwhile.


Here: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/127/3/e20103...

"It should be emphasized that fever is not an illness but is, in fact, a physiologic mechanism that has beneficial effects in fighting infection"

"and limited data have revealed that fever actually helps the body recover more quickly from viral infections, although the fever may result in discomfort in children."

"There is no evidence that children with fever, as opposed to hyperthermia, are at increased risk of adverse outcomes such as brain damage."

> that making a sick infant comfortable is not worthwhile.

Keep in mind in exchange the illness last longer. There are other ways to make a sick infant comfortable. You nurse them, you hold them, a cool cloth on the forehead helps a lot. Some babies like the vibration of a car ride, parents usually know what makes their baby happy - the hard part typically is finding time to focus on doing that. Obviously it's easier if they sleep in their crib (and for some parents that's the best option).

But what you should NOT do is think "My baby is sick I have to give the baby Tylenol!" You don't. (I've even seem parents wake their baby because it was time for the next dose!) A bit to help with comfort? OK. But the main thing is don't think you are treating their illness.


In my experience, sick babies do not want to sleep in their crib. Nor in the car. They would be frightened and uncomfortable and want to be held.

Tylenol is not for treating the illness. Maybe the parents you're referring to don't know what it does. It is meant for decreasing the intensity of the symptoms. One of those symptoms could be a fever and potentially the body aches that come with that. But then you have to define the word "fever".

Giving the baby Tylenol as you're describing is probably not a good idea. Using it as the tool it is meant to be I would say is.


I have never understood the parents who recommended the car as a way to get the kid to sleep. In my experience there is no better way to make the kid start screaming than strapping them into the car seat harness.


> - precut a bunch of little rectangles of paper towel for butt cream application

Just use your fingers and then wash your hands.

> - pump and use a bottle or just use formula if the baby is having a hard time eating in the first week, don’t let the breast dogmatists scare you

Agreed.

> - keep a box of gloves near the changing table. rather than leaving someone watching them on the table to wash your hands, just take off the gloves

Way too much work IMO, and if you have more than one, they will spread those gloves all over the house.

> - changing table in your bedroom (we didn’t do this the first time)

Just change them on the bed. We used to use a changing pad on the bed, but once you get good at it, you can change them so fast and with zero mess so we don't even need the pad any more.

> - try to avoid having too many visitors in the hospital. you need to sleep or at least rest instead. we had both our families visiting the first time and it was so much worse than covid-era visitation

Great advice. Our COVID-era baby was super peaceful, so we just did a "no visitors" policy for our more recent baby. Absent complications, you're only there for a day or two, they can wait.

> - they like to be swaddled much tighter than you think you should

> - bring velcro swaddle blanket to the hospital

Excellent advice and I often say the same about swaddlers. They are key.


You’re right about the gloves, I didn’t end up doing that one much. For the cream, I found washing thick oily cream off your fingers multiple times a day is a real pain.


My trick is to wipe it off on inside of the clean diaper (which is about to hit the cream anyway).


> try to avoid having too many visitors in the hospital. you need to sleep or at least rest instead. we had both our families visiting the first time and it was so much worse than covid-era visitation

I'd be a little more specific and suggest limiting to one visitor at a time. With two visitors, it was easy to have each parent occupied by a visitor and nobody notice the sleeping baby starting to stir and then end up with a difficult to console baby, instead of intervening earlier and keeping more calm. At least that was my experience. Newborn is not the stage to let the kiddo figure everything out themselves ;)


You’re basically asking a question like:

- Hey! I have this new employee. What should I do?

- Hey! I have this new job. What should I do?

You’ll get plenty of generic advice. Some of it might be useful. Most of it won’t apply to your “case”.


Those are good examples to use - here's what I would say:

- Make sure they have filled out (this list of required legal documents before you can start work)

- Make sure you have an onboarding plan. Here's what an example onboarding plan might look like.

- Have 1:1s with your manager. Here are some topics you might want to cover in your first week, first month, first quarter, and first year.

For a baby-related illustration - I know, for example, that I'll need to change diapers & make sure the baby is clean. I've never changed a baby's diaper before, so I'll probably watch a bunch of youtube videos and also ask if a friend with a baby will give me a tutorial beforehand. But that's a known unknown for me. I would like to know all of the other basic knowledge that every parent is going to need to have, in order to be successful. So I'm not looking for "advice," I truly am looking for the most fundamental, universal guidance. A great example from my wife's doctor was a 1-page list of things she should stop eating and a 1-page list of medications she can safely take while pregnant.


The vast majority of parenting advice out there is sanctimonious BS pushed by people who are either following a fad, using it as a way to establish themselves as some sort of in-group, or with some commercial motivation. For example, breastfeeding and sleep training are a minefield of guilt-tripping and unsubstantiated strongly held opinions. (If your partner does end up breastfeeding - which is by no means necessary - I do second the advice to have a few emergency breast hand pumps available. Also, in the US the hospitals push these giant awful Medela pumps - they are completely outclassed by https://babybuddhaproducts.com/).

Emily Oster is the one author I'm familiar with who comes close to countering this trend, but even she gets too prescriptive sometimes.

The basics of parenting are very simple in theory and pretty hard in practice - stay available, stay patient, stay positive, divide and conquer tasks with your partner, take enough care of yourself to enable the above, adjust as needed. There's not much that's universal beyond that. Your kid's experience will be highly personal to your kid and you'll want to look at the tools and resources available to you (ranging from nannies and food service to bottles/bibs/furniture) and keep evaluating what's working and what's not.

(Also second the other comments referring to miscarriages. They are much more common than you might imagine, and of course incredibly challenging in part because they're so hard to discuss.)


No kidding. The mismatch between common recommendations in North America, and what people do all the world over is huge.

Co-sleeping in particular is this bizarre thing where all the professionals warn against it as if you're playing Russian roulette, while half the people I know do it themselves (and are afraid to talk about it). Nevermind that essentially the rest of the world does it, and we did it before 5 minutes ago.

I get that folks have different preferences and level of comfort, but the rigidity and judgement that gets pushed is kind of hard to believe. It seems like safetyism run amok.


Australia here. It's the same as you described. If you don't go with option X then you clearly should not be trusted with the safety of your own children. Even though option X changes depending on where you are and who you talk to and cultures and mindsets and as time progresses. "Do as I say or you're an idiot".


Howdy! Our baby girl is one month old tomorrow. Three books that really helped me:

The Birth Partner by Penny Simkin - a handbook for all things labor and delivery, wonderful reference, and very cheap to get secondhand

Cribsheet by Emily Oster - data driven early childhood decisions. Super helpful from one month to 18 months.

Bringing Up Bébé by Pamela Druckerman - skip the book and read the 100 point appendix for max bang for least time invested (though I found it an enjoyable read)

Things no book told me:

* infants have no circadian rhythms for the first month or two, so you and your partner are largely in survival mode. Do what you can to help your partner get some sleep. We’ve found shift sleeping to be very helpful.

* Consider cooking and freezing a bunch of food a few weeks before your due date. Being able to heat up some pasta sauce or a burrito when you’re insane from sleep dep is a godsend.

Good luck. Everyone will want to tell you about the hard parts. No one can tell you about the rewards, and they are fabulous. I love being a dad and I hope you do too.

Edit: if it’s within your means, and you’re at all antsy about labor and delivery, a doula is a wonderful resource for you during delivery. Helps get the laboring partner through, and a good support for the other partner.


Oster is great, good data driven advice.


Thank you and congratulations! I'll check those out.


Right back at you, my human. It’s a lot of fun to have a kid. You aren’t ready - but in the best way possible. You can’t imagine how much fun you’re about to have. Stoked for you.


Parenting is, in my experience, quite a bit like taking care of a drunk person who very slowly sobers up over several years.

The internet is generally a terrible place to get parenting advice/support/etc from. For some reason it's a topic that brings out the most judgemental in people.

Parents of one child are often the worst to talk to. They have figured out what works for their one kid, and are quite unaware that it doesn't generalize at all.

Mothers will (usually) feel instant love for their new baby. Fathers will often not, and it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking there must be something wrong with you for that. There isn't, it's all just hormones. Wait, and those feelings will come over time.

I think that's all I've got. Good luck!


> Parents of one child are often the worst to talk to. They have figured out what works for their one kid, and are quite unaware that it doesn't generalize at all.

Parent of one child checking in -- strongly agree with you! I generally phrase myself very carefully around newer parents to avoid sounding like I'm giving general advice, and stress that I'm only talking about my experience with my kid -- and also, crucially, only when my thoughts on the matter are solicited.

The super judgey, sanctimonious tones of similar one-child parents who have everything figured out with their ONE SINGLE DATA POINT is really grating, and I try to steer the conversation away from there right away.


I actually read life changing advice here on HN regarding putting my kids to sleep. Thanks @reitanqild


I was in this same spot couple years ago. I read this book that was recommended in this very same forum. It's called Cribsheet: A Data-Driven Guide to Better, More Relaxed Parenting, from Birth to Preschool. It's by Emily Oster. It was helpful.


I really appreciated the economist view of parenting as trade-offs and acceptable risk she presents. The way medical information is communicated to general public is very binary and once a particular practice is recommended, it is treated as an absolute must. I'm sure this makes sense for communicating to the general public, but I am very capable of understanding risk and probability and making a weighted choice for what makes sense.

Also, the baby-industrial complex loves this binary view because it allows them to sell products that are "better".


Thank you! That one has come up several times in this thread.


Each kid is so different, anyone that gives you what you're asking for is just giving you a false sense of readiness.

You need patience. You need to learn to read their signs (hungry, full, tired, angry, etc) and be aware of the signs that will warrant escalating medical attention. You need to try and get on a schedule. You need to keep your relationship with your spouse alive (need? no, but it's best for the kid if you do).

You don't need to worry about actually fatherhood stuff for the first year, they're just digestive machines. Sure, it's good to be pleasant around them and invest time to bond with them. But, most of what you're doing is caring for an invalid.

Kids are incredibly adaptable and pretty easy to keep alive. So, "need" in a literal term is quite a low bar. Also, don't overthink it, it just happens and you react and adapt in usually an obvious way to situations you never could have dreamed you'd be in prior to being a parent.

This weekend my toddler came up to me and said "Dada, [pause], my wee wee got big?" I said "what?" and he pulled it out and showed me he got an erection and said "my wee wee is big now?" No book is going to tell you how to react to that and how to parent in the moment. FWIW, I said, "yeah you're a big boy and it will grow with you just like your feet" - completely ignored the erection part.


Congrats!

I became a dad 17 months ago. I would do both 1 & 2 if possible, and 3 if you feel like it. Total time cost is less than a weekend.

1. The Birth Partner - https://www.pennysimkin.com/shop/the-birth-partner-5th-editi...

You can get by just skipping to the yellow-highlighted pages. They're 1-2 page How To's or summaries. Like a checklist of the stuff to put in your Go Bag.

2. Talk to different types of people about parenting and make notes about what's most important to you.

Don't leave out older people. Despite the mass amount of new literature about how to raise kids, being a parent hasn't changed that much in 2 generations.

3. Expecting Better - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/310896/expecting-be...

Easy to skip to just the chapters you want to learn about. E.g. if you end up needing/wanting genetic testing, you could read that chapter and nothing else.


Thanks and congrats to you! I'll check those out.


Keep 'em clean, keep 'em fed, keep 'em near you (they can wander father as they age), do your best.

That pretty much sums up all the advice, I think. Good luck, kids are fun.

edit: You have time to get a puppy, now; and learn to deal with all the shit on easy mode. When the baby happens the puppy will be the perfect age to be an actual help watching the baby, and help raise the kid.


> Keep 'em clean, keep 'em fed, keep 'em near you (they can wander father as they age), do your best.

> That pretty much sums up all the advice, I think. Good luck, kids are fun.

Agreed.

> edit: You have time to get a puppy, now; and learn to deal with all the shit on easy mode. When the baby happens the puppy will be the perfect age to be an actual help watching the baby, and help raise the kid.

What is this insanity? Don't do this. I love dogs, but a young dog + a baby is a recipe for disaster. They do not help raise babies.

We did something similar for our second-to-last baby, mostly because our previous dog died and we wanted to decrease the chances that the new baby would be allergic. But a dog generally just fights for your attention (increasing your stress) and, worse, will wake the baby up occasionally if the dog is one that barks at visitors.


We'll have to agree to disagree on the dog question. Our catahoula was very attentive to our daughter, but she was the youngest of an established pack, and as such "puppy duty" fell to her anyway. In addition she was an especially mothering example of the breed.


5 kids here. The reason they are all fluff is that there isn't that much to it. It's just a lot of work.

(1) Feed baby.

(2) Change baby.

(3) Clothe and bathe baby.

(4) Baby needs sleep.

(5) Transport baby.

(6) Troubleshooting

"Feed baby" typically boils down to breastfeeding or formula only. Breastfeeding is a whole field unto itself. But for formula, get some bottles and some formula, and follow the directions on the formula container.

"Clothe baby" - get some baby outfits, keep them clean. Give the baby a bath with a sponge and baby shampoo when the baby seems dirty. Get new outfits as they grow out of them.

"Change baby" means get some diapers, wipes, and diaper cream. Put the diaper on, flaps out, and change it when it's soiled. Use the cream if they have diaper rash.

"Baby needs sleep" - get some baby swaddlers that let you tie their arms up (ideally velcro). Follow the directions, and put the baby on their back on a flat dry surface in a bassinet or crib to sleep. When they are newborn, they sleep frequently. Listen for when the baby wakes up.

"Transport baby" - get a car seat and use it according to the directions.

"Troubleshooting" - our pediatrician gave us a little pamphlet that covers everything health wise (i.e., call them when fever exceeds x or if y or z occur) - I've heard that most pediatricians do. Other than health issues, mostly the issue is the baby crying or not sleeping. When those things happen, just google it and try things until something works. Pacifiers are great for some babies for both crying and sleeping, others not so much.

Newborns mostly just sleep and eat. Older babies sleep, eat, and get bored. Older still, they sleep, eat, and play/crawl. Soon thereafter you have a toddler.


Thank you!


Based on my own recent experience:

1) no amount of books or articles will prep you for what to come 2) find a good pediatrician, listen to them 3) use your common sense, avoid comparing your baby behaviour with others

As for recommendations, the one that I found useful is https://parentingscience.com/ that usually has links to studies / science papers in their articles


Every book I read was worthless, with the possible exception of whichever one it was that accurately described cry-it-out. But even then, I'd bet there was luck involved. My two kids are opposite in their ability to self-soothe, but paradoxically cry-it-out worked for both of them equally well, in about two hours in a single night. <insert observation that every kid is different>

The closest I have to a regret is that I wish I had somehow made even more time to spend with them. It goes so fast. So. Fast.


Most parents aren't willing to subject their baby to a scientific study so there are a lot of areas where there just isn't enough data to make advice data-driven.

We found Harvey Karp's Happiest Baby on the Block really helpful with our newborn. It contains a lot of fluff. Reading it ahead of time will have little value - you need to see/understand your baby's temperament to understand how to apply the approaches in the book.

Best of luck! Kids are awesome!


If they are crying, try walking around while carrying them. They cry much less while you’re walking. This is a lot more important than it may appear at first glance.


Sounds like a line from Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy!


The highest praise : )


Baby Owner's Technical Manual

It covers the absolute basics with diagrams. Lovely little intro book.

The Montessori Baby

Covers the theory of what babies need and presents a good minimum of what they need without making you buy a ton. You won't and shoukd not 100% follow this book but adapt it for yourself.

Expecting Better and Crib Sheets

Oster does an excellent job at listing research, evaluating studies and drawing conclusions. Her substack is also worth while.


Those sound great, thank you


This is based on experience that nearly broke me almost ten years ago:

- It’ll be fine, don’t stress every detail

- Take care of yourself

- Get enough sleep

- Get enough sleep

- Get enough sleep


Recent father of twins here. To reiterate points 3-5: if it is within your means, I cannot highly recommend a night doula/nanny enough. We have a night doula who comes five nights a week (work nights, Sunday - Thursday) for the first three months (currently in week 7). After fending for ourselves every Friday and Saturday, I can't imagine how drained I would constantly be without one.


In a similar vein, I would suggest preparing by exercising. Being a parent of young kids is more physical than you think, or at least I thought. Carrying them while carrying other things, carrying gear, lots of bending, general physical awkwardness, etc.


In the UK, the NCT[0] runs courses. I hope there are equivalents elsewhere.

They are a few weeks long, e.g. an evening a week. They cover the basics you mentioned, including practical stuff for the parents and the baby around pregnancy, birth and infancy. Being part of a cohort was valuable for discussing and socialising the ideas, and it was far more valuable to me than e.g. reading from a book. They were also a great support group in those early days.

Having a baby is like stepping onto a speeding escalator with no end in sight. It's amazing but incredibly draining. You can't be prepared for that, but getting habituated to the idea is useful, I think.

And if there was something you wanted to do or experience (movie, holiday, etc), do it before the baby comes.

And finally, you can't cuddle a baby too much. Give it as much love and attention as you can possibly spare.

[0] https://www.nct.org.uk/courses-workshops/nct-antenatal-cours...


Thanks, great advice. I'll look for a local group.


Four kids here, ages eight and under. The only advice that I give soon-to-be parents is to read the instructions on the website "My Baby Sleep Guide" before their baby is born and they're suffering from sleep deprivation and feelings of being overwhelmed and hopeless. The author is incredible, her website is a gold mine, but it's not very well organized so it takes some time to parse. As a starting point, I think these are the two most important pages...

http://www.mybabysleepguide.com/2010/02/sleep-problems-by-ag...

http://www.mybabysleepguide.com/2013/02/average-sleep-charts...


Thanks! I've noticed a strong trend here on tactics to be able to sleep.


Sounds like you want the Army Ranger’s Field Guide to Infant Civilians, which sadly doesn’t exist. The kind of people who write books about parenting can’t help but put in anecdotes and cute stories.

That said, the most helpful resources for me have been:

1. Happiest Baby on the Block. Chapter 1 is an outline of the full book and is pretty close to what you ask for. I had never cared for a child before, and reading it before my daughter was born made me “baby whisperer” for the first week.

2. Everything from Emily Oster.

3. A standard text on pregnancy. “What to expect…” and “Bumpin” are actually not bad from your perspective. They tend to do a good job of outlining the essentials and spectra of choices without being too opinionated.

And finally: get set up with a good peds office before baby is born. Look for 7 day/week office hours and a 24 hour call line. We needed to contact ours the night we came home — don’t put this off till the kid is born!


Thank you! And yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for - until I realized you'd made up the title,I was ready to buy... Somebody write this then take my money!

Appreciate the recs, I'll check them out.


I'm sorry to tell you this, but everything in life cannot be algorithmically driven. As others have said, generally speaking your baby is YOUR baby and you have to learn as you go and adapt. Take it a few days at a time, tackle the current issues, and repeat.

On the data driven side, Emily Oster and her prenatal (Expecting Better) and postpartum (Cribsheet) books are great resources, but they hardly prepare you for parenting. Those books can help you make some macro decisions for sure, but overall parenting is an experience which will likely be the most mentally challenging thing you've done, barring any exceedingly traumatizing events.


I think the only reason the "parenting book" industry can exist is because there isn't a single right way to do it. And people who are looking for some semblance of certainty can find a book to back up any preexisting intuition they have, and feel justified. Therefore, I say save your money and just go with your intuition, since I believe that's what most parents are doing anyway. There are, of course, trade-offs to every single choice you make along the way. (You might rightly ask me for a book that covers this meta-analysis, which I'm not aware of one such and would probably be a bestseller too...)


Subscribe to: https://www.nhs.uk/start4life/signups/ (I'm a 9 month old dad).


That's brilliant!


If you can, volunteer to do the first 100 nappies in a row. Then you have 100 nappy changes "in hand" for when the poo turns smelly. It starts off just smelling faintly of butter.


Look past the silly title, and pick up a copy of "Baby 411": https://www.amazon.com/dp/1889392723/

It's coauthored by a pediatrician, so the recommendations are evidence-based, but it's also practical and relatively concise.

[Disclaimer: The edition I read was published over a decade ago, but the latest edition doesn't appear to be radically different.]


First, congratulations! It's not easy to even get pregnant for some people, so awesome work there!

As per a list of 'to-dos', yeah, sorry mate, that's not how babies really work. I really wish it was, but it's not.

As the Dad, you're mostly just going to be supporting Mom through all this. Just remember, it's not about you, it's about supporting Mom and the baby for the next ~18 months. Mom's hormones are going to be real wacky until the due data and then ~3 months afterwards. She'll need support and calm strength. Just breathe, y'all will make it through it.

Honestly, you're going to spend those next ~18 months just cooking and cleaning for them (a LOT of cleaning).

Baby will tell you (hopefully) when it needs changing and feeding and whatnot. Your 'instincts' will kick in and help out there.

No two babies are the same. All the advice is mostly bupkiss. However, it is important to read it all. You never know when one of those bits of advice will come in handy. "No plan survives contact with the enemy, but planning is everything".

One VERY important thing though: Get on the daycare lists right now.

I don't know where you are, but the post-covid daycare landscape is really bad. I've have friends on lists for ~22 months. We were on a list for ~14 months. Your local area may be totally chill, or a disaster. You also may not think you're going to use daycare now, but change your mind in when the baby comes. Get on those lists now to have the option. And yes, daycare is crazy expensive, but personal home care is much much more so.


You might want to check out the American Academy of Pediatrics' book: Caring for Your Baby and Young Child, Birth to Age 5.

If you live in the Southeast of the US, you can get it for free at any Publix supermarket store.

https://shop.aap.org/caring-for-your-baby-and-young-child-pa...


> If you live in the Southeast of the US, you can get it for free at any Publix supermarket store.

Huh, neat - thanks!


My kids came with manuals. Every new baby in Taiwan does. We also got a manual for the pregnancy. Very useful.

I know that one of the public health orgs in Australia has something similar. You should be able to google for it. It was a mostly no nonsense PDF with bullet points outlining the what and when, divided by an age range the milestone expected to happen during.


Echoing the other comments to recommend Expecting Better by Emily Oster. All of the other books I tried to read were poorly researched and borderline condescending. She digs up the (sometimes decades old and poor quality) research that underpins all the "conventional wisdom" and gives you the statistics to make your own risk calculations.


Thanks, that sounds like the one!


So much good advice here I will just add one extremely practical tip: open and prepare the new diaper and pull out 5 wipes before you actually start changing them, doing it midflight is next to impossible.

And take good pictures and video and write down the funny things they say, I still enjoy looking back at them after all these years.


I'd say suck it up and power through the shitty books, that in itself will be good preparation for parenthood.


"Caring for Your Baby and Young Child: Birth to Age 5" by the American Academy of Pediatrics is a tome, but is the best practical guide for what you need to do, and what to expect, for the first few years of a child's life. Use it like a reference or manual rather than reading cover-to-cover.


Thanks, that one has come up several times now!


Look up YouTube videos on 5 S's from Dr. Harvey Karp's Happiest Baby on the Block. It goes over very helpful techniques on putting your baby to sleep. Useful in the first couple of months.


Will do!


Cribsheet, by Emily Oster. She also has one about pregnancy, Expecting Better, which might help you support your wife in decision making at the hospital when you go in to deliver.


From today's fortune: (what a coincidence)

--------------------- Fortune Begin ------------------------

They're basically very smelly houseplants until they get to the crawling age. You're constantly terrified that they're going to randomly die on you, but the rules for preventing that outcome are straightforward and hard to forget. -- Thomas Ptacek, giving advice to a new father

---------------------- Fortune End -------------------------


I haven't found one and at some point I stopped looking. You can look up some research on specific topics but be prepared to read papers with their conclusion being "we don't know, it's complicated".

I don't think anything like that could exist anyway seeing as how every child and their circumstances would be different.


There isn't one set of advice that works for all babies.

The only thing you really need to do is try.

Just keep being there, keep watching your baby and doing your best to decide how to be your best.

The worst thing you can do is stop putting in the energy and just let time pass. Other than that, this is one of those things where simply making the effort is all that is really needed.


Babywise is a good overview book, but the most useful thing for us was the companion PDF since there's no fluff. They have it freely available here: http://babywise.life/audiobook


That's precisely the kind of format I was hoping for. Thanks!


Another comment mentioned her, but check out Emily Oster’s books. Data-driven, no bullshit.


Ok, I did think of one. Buy comfortable earplugs. I keep mine in my pocket at all times.


First couple of months your job is making sure the mom doesn't crash and burn under the stress of a newborn.

Breastfeeding is exhausting and the emotional load of the newborn plus the massive hormone shifts is no walk in the park.


As others have said, the "what to expect" books were my go-to's. Helped get through pregnancy and into the toddler years. I'd recommend those books to any parent-to-be.


I suppose I should have added more to this for a new soon-to-be dad:

* It's not as hard as you think. Babies are resilient!

* You don't need nearly as much clothes/equipment as the baby industry wants to sell you.

* Yeah, it may (or may not) take a few weeks for your baby to sleep through the night. Even so they tend to only get up once.

* Changing diapers is no big deal, especially for a baby.

* Enjoy it! It really is all over as fast as it began. My oldest flew the coup a few years back and it really does seem like yesterday when they were born. Your kid will be in college before you know it.

* Finally, lots of things in life will start to make sense. Raising children gives you a certain perspective on things, and no, watching someone else's kids from time-to-time isn't even remotely close to the 24x7, no days off responsibility of raising kids.

* If I could change anything I would have liked to have had more kids, but I already had 3. There's a lot of logistics pushing back on you to cap it at 3. TBH, there's a lot of logistics pushing back on you to cap it at 2. But we had 3 anyway! Bwhahahahahahaha!

Like I said, get your "what to expect" books, take it as guidance and not gospel, remember every kid is different.

Oh, and before I go - this is a bit darker issue - don't try to live vicariously through your kids, don't impose your hopes and dreams onto them. They're different people, they'll have different hopes and dreams. Your job is to help them figure out who they are and help them take the steps they need to realize their hopes and dreams. Just always remember they're their own people, not xerox copies.


Thanks!


Moms on call.

And follow the schedules. It will work. This book is insanely popular among friend group which has probably had about 30 babies in the past two years.

Every one of them that follows it is insanely pleased.


Thanks!

30 babies... You either have way more friends than I do or your friends are extremely busy!


baby instruction manual.

If the baby does not have colic and cries:

1) Needs milk 2) Needs changed 3) Needs sleep

If baby does have colic and cries

1) Lol probably needs nothing, but try all 3 above for good measure. 2) Endure for months on end until every woman in your extended family and your own marriage nearly self destructs because it turns out a baby that cries every waking hour for months on end is basically kryptonite for women. Treat it like you're going to be waterboarded for the better part of a year to see how devout you are for your marriage.


"best data-driven, tactical field-guide"

sorry you are completely wrong here, this new life episode has no pragmatic cheatsheet, forget everything from your career, enjoy it and be patient!


You learn as you go, I would hope you are able to realize that every kid is different as is the environment. You are working with a live human rather than machinery.


not a dad, or parent - but i randomly read "Achtung Baby: An American Mom on the German Art of Raising Self-Reliant Children" - by Sarah Zaske on a whim:

https://www.amazon.com/Achtung-Baby-American-Self-Reliant-Ch...

thought it was a really great book on something i'm completely oblivious to.


Pick 4 or 5 people you trust, and only accept advice from them. Everyone will have something to add - smile, nod, and filter them out


Every baby is different take ever piece of advice as possible ideas that might need changing or not even work for your baby


I recommend a book called What Happened to You.

It’ll give some insight into small things that if you get them wrong can have really negative impacts.


This post reminded me of a (anti)climax scene in Coen brothers' A Serious Man: "Be a good boy..."


A few tips. 1) If either you or you spouse feel you should go to the hospital, don't consider anything further and just go. It's not worth further consideration. 2) Don't expect milestones. They come when they come. Having preset expectations of sleeping through the night, rolling over, crawling, or speaking will make your experience worse. 3) Set a routine, and stick to it. 4) Find time to enjoy the experience, whether its feeding or strolls. 5) Find time for a regular break, whether its a quick lunch outside or a stroll around the block. 6) Take enough pictures, but take many more candid pictures than set pieces. 7) Take time to look at all the pictures you took. 7) As a dad, change all the diapers, wash all the dishes, and never mention that you are doing so.


Hey, OP! I just had a second child. First: congratulations, you have no idea how much you are going to love kids. They *will* change your life. Things you used to think were meaningful are going to seem meaningless to you.

Here are some notes on "gear":

1) Get a really nice headlamp that can do a candle mode. This is going to be really helpful at 2:00am when you need to see where diapers are.

2) Get multiple bassinets so that you have a place to set the baby down.

3) Spending more money is worth it on gear. We have both the Nuna Mixx and the Uppababy Vista (uppa does two seats). Get the Nuna. It's definitely a case of buy once cry once. We made the mistake of buying a graco carseat at target for our second carseat and hate it.

4) We bought a harbor freight toolchest as a diaper changing station (https://www.harborfreight.com/30-in-5-drawer-mechanics-cart-...) and it's been hugely useful.

5) We bought an owlet SpO2 monitor and absolutely LOVE this.

6) We use this bottle warmer: https://www.amazon.com/Munchkin-Speed-Bottle-Warmer-Orange/d.... 3D print a measuring cup that meters the exact amount of water you need for whatever bottles you are using.

On emotional stuff:

1) I cannot stress how much things you used to find meaningful are going to seem pointless. Just lean into it. Kids are the most meaningful thing you will ever do. I cannot repeat this enough times. I hate to be this blunt, but you cannot understand this until you have kids.

2) Lean into the relationship with your wife. Your children are very literally a manifestation of your love for one another. Nurture that feeling, and think about it a lot.

3) Family is going to want to spend time with your kids, and sometimes this is going to feel like work. Don't be afraid to tell them no.

Here's some practical stuff:

1) You need to feed the baby FREQUENTLY. While it's possible for you to help with this, nothing is going to beat breastfeeding, so try to be as supportive of your wife as possible.

2) Remind your wife how beautiful she is frequently. Childbirth is stressful for women, and can be hard on a woman's body. Support your wife. I think the entire process of childbirth, the various hormonal changes to do things like switch from colostrum to milk, oxytocin bonding with the baby by looking at it while breastfeeding, etc. are all profoundly beautiful.

3) Don't stress yourself out about milestones. Your baby is fine. Your pediatrician will tell you if there is a problem. Don't stress these things.

4) I said above but I'll say again: buy once cry once on baby gear. A nice stroller is going to be a big deal. Nuna makes the best of everything.

5) If you family has some hand me down baby clothes: take them.

6) Your baby is going to get various butt rashes. This doesn't mean you are a failure as a parent. Babies get butt rashes.

7) Miss Rachel is a freaking god send when your baby gets older. It's a youtube channel called "Ms Rachel Songs for Littles", and its' really good, educational content.

8) Your gut is actually a million years long biological computer/classifier. Trust it. Call your mom a lot and ask her opinion on stuff.


> 1) Get a really nice headlamp that can do a candle mode. This is going to be really helpful at 2:00am when you need to see where diapers are.

I absolutely love the Apple Watch's flashlight feature for this—even more so on the new one that has a dedicated physical button for it. It's insanely convenient for all nighttime child issues.


Thanks for taking the time to put this together - really interesting, and stuff I haven't read elsewhere.


I wrote a different comment about my experiences with miscarriages, and how experiencing that lead me to understand something:

You are already a father. You are already a parent, even though the baby has not been born. You're already at the deep-end, even if you are not yet directly involved in the care of the baby growing in your wife's womb.

It's from this perspective, I offer this:

1. Being "data-driven", while helpful, is not complete. Raising your child is not a mission. You cannot push buttons and expect results to follow, or define objectives, and then somehow expect your child to also go along with it. They will grow with or without you, and are most vulnerable in the early stages of life. If you have ever grown a plant, it is more like that -- no matter what kind of ideal conditions you can create for the plant or child, ultimately, the power of growth does not lie within you. It lies within what you are nurturing.

2. You're going to have to sacrifice your time, energy, and sleep. There are going to be other missions you might go after ... and you're going to have to sacrifice some of them.

3. Accept all the help from family, friends, and community that you can get.

4. There are defined milestones, and they start before birth.

5. The first major milestone is viability. That's when, if the fetus is born prematurely, it has a chance of surviving in the NICU.

6. Minor milestones are the organ scan (to check if there are any severe deformities in the developing organ, also affecting viability), and the glucose test -- for gestational diabetes, and preeclampsia, which can potentially not only affect the child's health, but also your wife's.

7. Labor and birth, and recovery for your wife

8. You cannot directly impact anything for 5 - 7. Your best course of action is to support your wife

9. Watch out for post-partum depression in your wife.

What follows after are:

1. Development of the blood brain barrier.

2. Development of the immune system

3. Watching out for Sudden Infant Death syndrome in the first months (or year?) There are some advances in understanding this, but right now, unfortunately, this is mostly luck.

4. Being able to roll from back to front, and front to back. That allows the infant to be able to adjust posture without suffocating

5. Being able to hold the head steady. Until then, you have to make sure you are supporting the child's head yourself.

A good pediatrician or family nurse practitioner will remind you of all of this during the checkups. Checkups happen more frequently at the early age and get less frequent as the child grows.

Immunization matters a lot. When the child starts going to child care or school, that will start a cycle of the whole family (including parents) getting sick, even with immunization. Fall of 2022, we saw an epidemic of RSV, Flu, and Covid among families with small children.

The rest goes on with physical, mental and social development. They don't go in any specific order. Sometimes, children are mildly delayed in some things and not in others, and sometimes the delay is symptomatic of say, Autism Spectrum Disorder (which is currently diagnosed in 1 in 44 children now). This can get fairly complicated, but there are usually state services that help families with this.

Lastly, my wife is connected to support groups online for moms. There's a Facebook group involving tens of thousands of members that, smaller subgroups break off for that. If there's a similar one for dads, I suggest joining it.


From a previously freaked out expectant dad with a now-thriving 13 year old daughter, this is the concise manual:

Show up. Talk to other dads.

This is not glib. If you show up, you'll know what to do most of the time, and if you're nervous or stumped, talk to the other dads.

A few examples of showing up in my daughter's first week after being born:

My daughter experienced decels during labor. That's the heart rate varying. Meconium was expelled, so they assumed without confirming she had suffered meconium aspiration. APGAR 2 at birth, 7 at the next check. She was born blue and floppy.

First show up: the NICU team took my daughter away to intubate her. My wife looked at me, puzzled, I smiled and gave her a thumbs up. I knew my wife still had to deliver the placenta and that was another hazard she had to navigate. Point is, I was there and I knew what to do. I later apologized to my wife for lying to her in that moment; she understood.

Next show up: we finally can see our daughter in the NICU. The doctors are all talking about brain damage and meconium aspiration. My wife and I standing on either side of the warming bed, I sang my daughter's 'womb song', You are my Sunshine. Daughter looked in my direction. My wife read some lines from Hand Hand Fingers Thumb, her chosen womb book. Daughter looked at my wife. We knew she was ok. Of course my daughter could barely see at that point, but we knew that confirmed hearing and motor function, and assumed cognitive function was also ok.

Next show up: The NICU was not set up to support breast feeding. My wife was set on doing this. The bullies with Dr. badges threatened to contact CPS if my wife was unable to feed our child, and also, provided not one single form of breast feeding assistance. I say "bullies" because they actually were hostile in their presentation, not politely spelling out boundaries like a professional. (Key info on breast feeding, compress the breast into an oval shape that matches the child's mouth) So I ran to whole foods to get some formula my wife found marginally acceptable as a backstop to keep the doctor's at bay.

Next show up: NICU doctors said my wife could attempt breast feeding for 30 minutes every 2 hours because the activity threatened my daughter's life. Yes, attempting to provide nourishment is somehow life-threatening. I rented a hotel room across the street and did this cycle of showing up at the NICU every 2 hours with my wife, and we slept for about 45 minutes in between. We did that for 2 days straight, at which point my wife had finally been able to get daughter to latch and was feeding her on a more regular schedule.

Next show up: After daughter improving for 5 days in the NICU I'm at work and get the call she is on the decline due to reduced urine output. I contact our social worker at the hospital and told her I thought it was a load of crap and my daughter was fine. She suggested a meeting with the Attending Physician and the Charge Nurse. In the meeting, I waste no time, I ask how they determined her urine output was insufficient. They said they charted the weight of her diapers. I asked how big her variance was. About 60g too low. The Charge Nurse steps out of the meeting at that point. I ask, how much does a wet diaper weigh on average? About 60g. The Charge Nurse returns and says there was a gap in the chart, and one of her nurses had failed to record one of the diapers at a particular interval, and the nurse said her recollection was it was within spec.

So yeah, you may ask, how did I know how to navigate the adverse first week of my daughter's life? I just knew what to do. But the only reason I had a chance to know what to do was because I was there in the first place. I know we were lucky to get my daughter out of there in a short period of time and there were parents who had their child in the NICU for months who had a much harder road. They continued to show up too.


Ask ChatGPT :)


The book you are looking for is too simple to sell.

What you need to do:

  Mom says, “Will you…?”

  You say, “Yes of course.”
When you need to do it:

  Always and forever.
Why it is important:

  The new human being requires
  a mother.

  The new human being is 
  priority one.

  Mom is priority two.

  You are priority three.

  Unless you have a dog.
Good luck.


This is bad advice. Parents are real people and need to work in balance with each other and the child. Sacrificing yourself only breeds resentment.


Honestly I disagree that it's bad advice. The advice I give to a lot of new dads specifically is that Moms #1 job is to take care of baby, Dads #1 job is to take care of mom AND baby. Even if the little one is formula fed, the weeks/months after childbirth are so difficult for mothers. Sacrificing yourself a bit, in my opinion, IS balancing the work.

As time goes on and you have a toddler, things even out significantly.


The child has to be integrated into the family.

Mom's job is not to sacrifice herself to take care of the child. She must both preserve herself, go through the healing process, and help take care of the child.

Dad's job is to also handle any healing, to help take care of mom, to help take care of the child, and to generally keep the house functional.

If Mom kills herself taking care of the child or sacrifices herself to take care of the child, that isn't functional. Something has gone wrong. If Dad has to sacrifice himself to take care of the child or the mother, something has also gone wrong.

You must _integrate_ the child into the family, not replace the family with the child. It is not just what works best for the child - it is what works best for the family as a whole. The child would love to constantly breast feed and comfort feed on mom forever - that is not functional for the mother, she must sleep and have time with the child off her nipple so she can continue to breast feed.

In the same way, it is not functional for dad to say, spend all his time cooking and cleaning and not sleeping. It is better for dad to sleep and some of the chores to go undone then it is to have a tidy home.

If you sacrifice yourself - if you spend and spend and spend - you will see it as a debt accruing that will never be paid back. You will breed resentment to your family. You will be unhappy and the family will no longer be a family. That does not work. It does not matter if you're the mother or the father, self sacrifice destroys families.

The family has to work as a whole. Everyone has to be integrated and the system has to work as a whole. What that looks like differs for every family and is an ongoing process, not a one time solution. The father and the mother have a relationship, and now baby is involved which means we went from 1 relationship to 3 (the baby has a separate relationship with each parent!). The family has to make that work not for a week or a month or a year, but for the rest of their lives.


debt accruing that will never be paid back

A child doesn’t owe their parents jack shit.


Please don't quote me out of context. That is materially not what I said.


If the child and mother came away from the birth with severe medical conditions, would that change what you imagine?


Which of you should be sacrificed for the child? Would it be ok to sacrifice a different child? Perhaps you could draw straws to see who gets sacrificed - that seems more fair than assuming which parent it is.

Could dad hire someone else to be sacrificed?

The answer to all of the above should be "Well no!". Which should lead us back to the problem at hand: "Why is it ok to sacrifice _anyone_?" It's not.

That you had a child with a severe medical condition does not mean you become subhuman. It means the task of integrating the child into the family has a different success criteria (your child with Down's is probably not going to be a functional adult at 18). The child still has to be integrated into the family - as a whole. You don't get to elect a scapegoat and skip out on that task. No child should dominate a family, regardless the medical condition of that child. The family works as an entire unit, not with some unlucky soul having the life sucked out of them for convenience of everyone else.




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