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And the text you quoted is Microsoft's interpretation (or marketing text) of the hardware they're selling.

We repurpose many purpose built things for other ends. People called as hackers for doing that back in the day, and we applauded them.

Why the change now?



For starters those hackers can start by supporting OEMs that care about doing business selling hardware with Linux, develop the next PI clone with RISC-V or something.

Not every developer is a UNIX developer, and not every piece of hardware has to run a POSIX clone.


Trusting your experience, can you please give me examples to OEMs which support Linux on their customer accessible hardware by default for the last two decades, and can you also detail on which devices we run Linux mainly for our daily needs, and what these devices are designed and certified for?

Of course not every developer is a UNIX developer. I don't expect that.

But, I just need an example for a device which I can buy for the last two decades and which is primarily designed for running Linux, and accessible by ordinary developers (i.e. not costing two kidneys and an arm, has a home/portable form factor, and is serially produced).


Tuxedo and System 76 come to mind, as lots of local OEM vendors.

My Asus 1215B netbook for travel purposes has been sold with Linux on it.


Tuxedo and System76 are nice. Too bad that I don't live in the US. It's literally impossible to find such system here. So I always had to roll my own.

Netbooks are nice devices, but they were never intended for developers.


Tuxedo is an European brand.

Developers use whatever they can, including crap Chromebooks as thin clients to cloud instances.


Nice. Having a manufacturer on this side of the pond is good, however I’m not in Europe, either. :)

Not every developer can/want to use cloud instances, like not every developer is $OS_OF_CHOICE developer.


Star Labs is in UK, but they claim to ship worldwide.

https://starlabs.systems/


Thanks for sharing, I'll look into it. Importing it here will possibly double the price of the system I ordered, but it's again good to know.

Thanks again.


I am quite certain there are other OEMs on that region as well.

Developer is someone that writes code with a programming language, that is all.


> My Asus 1215B netbook for travel purposes has been sold with Linux on it.

Too soon! I miss the netbook days. Too bad Microsoft killed them.


Can you rlaborate why do you think MS killed them?

For me it was a shitty hardware (Intel Atoms coupled with slooow HDDs or tiny and slow eMMC SSDs) with the market eaten by smartphones (for always on Internet connectivity) and iPads/tablets for anything requiring a bigger screen but not yet a full notebook.


Actually the tablets and Chromebooks, killed them, not the selling XP licenses at discount prices.

Google OSes cost zero, with a proper experience and a store Joe and Jane care about.


You refuse to buy from a company that hasn't been selling linux-focused hardware for several decades? Do you think that's the right approach for getting companies to enter that market? I personally don't think many companies in the space are much interested in a 20 year ROI.


No. Instead I buy highly curated, cutting edge DIY systems. These systems come with rough edges, which are smoothed over in a couple of years, and I use the system with all of its features for seven years or so.

Because all of the desktop systems provided the big manufacturers are either not Linux ready or very limited in hardware & configuration flexibility or both (most of the time).

Since the systems are not Linux friendly, I always rolled my own from components which are designed to work with Windows.


I don't think many have ever applauded people complaining that products designed, marketed, and sold for one purpose are not fit for some other purpose, but rather for making them work anyways.


Many do applaud the people who jailbreak iOS, unlock game consoles and android phones by major manufacturers, reverse engineer systems to add features they need or repurpose old/legacy or bleeding edge systems to do what they need.

We everyday try to convince people that hacking is not malicious by nature, but means to make things do things which are not designed to do out of the box.

Every day, everywhere, incl. this very site. Which is called Hacker News, BTW.


>Many do applaud the people who jailbreak iOS,

Yeah, but not people whining that iphones don't run Ubuntu out of the box.


Instead they skip the hardware and root their Android devices. Many people would run another mobile OS on their iOS devices if the process was easier.




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