> Adobe can't eat penpot!

That's the beauty of open source

It's kind of amazing to me that we've reached the point where using open source is not a matter of idealism, but rather risk management to guard against the threat of product regressions due to consumer-hostile takeovers.

Open source has been used for risk management rather than idealism for probably about 20 years now.

Open source has been used for risk management rather than idealism for probably since the beginning.

It always has been, where do you think that idealism came from? :-P

Same place but started out poor. Now there's money.

Open source began because Xerox neglected to update their printer drivers. It's always been a blend of idealism and pragmatics.

You are mixing open source and Free Software.

Open Source is just a MBA friendly term for Free Software.

Though can I just say that Free software is a much better term than Open Source (unless of course you only wish to say the source is publicly available).

Neither term guarantees (via legal measure) that the source is available. For that you also need copyleft.

Or if you want to run your software on Linux.

Its amazing how adobe isn't porting anything to Linux, despite linux being starting to be used heavily now in the creative industries with the rise of blender and tons of work being done on render farms.

Blender and Krita are really high quality stuff, so hopefully problem solved. But those teams are really small compared to adobe.

That has always been my selfish reason for using free/open source software. I agree with the principles of free software too, but even if I didn't I would be using it just so I can be in control of my own computing.

"Always has been."

(Also: the threat of product pivots or discontinuations.)

Not to be too inflammatory, but it's always amazing to me how people will ignore a threat as long as possible, then pretend it just appeared once they are forced to acknowledge it.

Not a perfect XKCD match, but pretty close: https://xkcd.com/743

Cloud features are critical in an enterprise setting

The UX in my org share all the figma designs through figma cloud, I can quickly provide feedback and this is important! All designs are stored in the cloud, I can quickly go back and refer them when necessary.

I am not sure if the open source solution provides all these features yet, but a new startup can provide these.

Penpot is also hosted on machines not run by you, as demonstrated by https://penpot.app/ so not sure what you're arguing against.

I am really curious: What features of Figma are not available in Penpot?

I just signed up to Penpot right now and gave it a look. Seems at least there are a few things that are not in Penpot but in Figma:

- "Components" implemented differently so requires you to hit "Update master component" before changes in instances are visible

- Auto layout doesn't seem to exists

Probably more stuff, since Penpot is relatively new and FOSS, while Figma is old by startup standards with huge investments and a large team behind it.

Access to local fonts is missing

Penpot is written in clojure, front and back. I'm not competent enough to know if it's good thing or a bad thing.