Palestine is occupied Israeli land and Israel is building settlements there. Israel only keeps Palestine de jure 'external' due to international pressure, with the extra advantage of not having to give Palestians the same rights as Israelis (i.e. Apartheid). Claiming it is not apartheid based on some territorial technicality is disingenious.
When Palestine gets full sovereign statehood maybe then we can watch evangelical politicans perspectives on far-right Christian Youtube channels.
It is not Israel's state to offer. Either they annex the land and give Palestinians universal suffrage as the democratic country they claim to be, or unilaterally pull out of the land they are occupying (which includes land in Syria). They don't need to consult with Palestinians to withdraw to internationally recognised borders.
There was no clear offer of statehood in any case, only negotiations where both sides accuse the other or themselves for failure.
So the US can just declare the black hoods as external terretories and then the South could have continued as they were in the 60s. Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens.
Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state.
Gaza and West Bank are almost entirely autonomous. They are self-governing with their own civil administration, police force, school system, etc...
Israel controls, to only a limited extent, their international borders until a final peace deal is signed because there is a constant missile smuggling operations going on, with those missile being fired across the "border" into Israeli cities.
People need to start advocating for a peace deal, and stop taking "sides".
Mhh funny when I drove threw the West Bank we passed multiple Israeli army positions.
In fact, only the Zone A areas are 'autonomous' and those zones are not connected, so to go from one place in the country to another you pass Israeli army positions where people are harnessed and often shot.
But I'm sure if people in the Us to go past a Red Army check point when going from New York to New Jersy that would be totally fine.
Not to mention how systematically Israel has stolen resources such as water from those 'self-governing' bantustans. You are sell governing but the water is now gone, why are you doing such a bad job?
Israel is also intervening in the affairs of those territories consistently. Its much more comparable to the Indian princes under the English empire. Sure those were 'autonomous' but usually people are not gullible enough to actually be believe that. Israel has major influence in most matters that is usually important for govenrment.
The amount of autonomy a city surrounded by foreign army can have is really, really limited.
> constant missile smuggling operations going on
If there was no smuggling people would starve and wouldn't have medicine.
> People need to start advocating for a peace deal, and stop taking "sides".
People like you need to open their eyes and stop reading international propaganda about the situation. Even some leading Palestinian researches are now saying Israel has transformed the situation in the West Bank as such that it basically no longer possible to make it into real state.
Just endlessly advocating for a 'peace' when the status quo is clearly in favor of 1 party while the other systematically being exploited and reduced is actually taking a side. By just saying we should just have conference after conference where its basically Israel and the US bribing PA leadership to accept more limited aims, is favoring Israel.
Israel has long ago realized that as long as they talk a good game about peace internationally while on the ground making peace an impossibility the gullible Westernes who don't understand what's happening on the ground will continue to talk about peace while Israel systematically steals more and more land and water. While Israel imports more 'Jews' (very loosely defined) and while Palestinian refugees of the second generations die and their claim to rights gets weaker and weaker.
Look at the powers in Israel, look at the parties, look at the parliament, look at the situation on the ground, the idea that they have even the slightest interest in any kind of peace is delusional. They are slowly transitioning the status quo to where they want it to be. They have long ago started a strategy of 1000-cuts and since the international situation is in their favor they will just continue to execute that strategy.
But instead of having those 1000-cuts in the news, Israel does its best to flood Western media with ever bit of fireworks that flies over the border while the fighter jets Israel get rarely mentioned. A single Palestinian attacking somebody with a knive makes more press then a new 10000 people development in the West Bank.
"Amazing what you can achieve by some legal shananigens" applies the opposite way. These are technically parts of Israel, but Israel is not really in control of West Bank, and not at all in control of Gaza strip. They are halfway and fully controlled by hostile terrorist organizations that repeatedly claimed that the state they are "part of" must be destroyed, and implied or explicitly called for genocide as part of that.
They are not “technically parts of Israel” at all. Israel is righteous to defend its right to exist while at the same time denying the same right to Palestine and refusing the concept itself of a two-state compromise, never mind the only internationally recognised borders.
This is part of Israel just as much as Kherson is part of Russia.
I am responding to the comment saying "Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state."
So you are making my point for me - yep, exactly, Israel is not in control of these territories and it's normal that rules that apply to Israeli citizens don't apply to their residents. My point exactly, glad that you agree!
And no, self-determination here cuts the other way too. "Self-determination" is what Putin uses as a pretext to first say Crimea "wants to be part of Russia" (this is actually believable to me, knowing history and having visited there decades ago - but it still shouldn't matter, Crimea is Ukraine). Then they said "DNR wants to be part of Russia", and want to have a "vote" in Kherson to allow it "self-determination".
Same as with scum and warlords in DNR/LNR and Russian army, HAMAS/FATAH and their supporting dictators from Jordan/Egypt/Syria are just scum and warlords who rejected the 2-state compromise every time they thought they have enough force to crush Israel. They are pretty much carbon copy of DNR/Putin with their "self-determination" - except weak, so instead of invading they engage in propaganda to get the gullible in the West on their side, and do legal maneuvering.
That report mentions nothing about the treatment of Arabs within Israel, where Arabs have equal rights to Jews or any other group. Rather it compare Israel with its neighbour, which everyone in this thread agrees is either a separate territory or a separate country.
