That's way too much, even for a long career. Two pages is enough. The more resume there is, the more bullshit you have to read. The career history part should be a list of job-titles and dates, with a brief description of each role, noting any salient achievements. Many recruiters will set aside any resume longer than two pages.
I once had a candidate submit a 20 page(!) resume. They were so full of themselves. That one I actually did spend 5 minutes with to see what they found so fascinating about their history, but it was otherwise an instant reject.
A 20-page resume bespeaks someone inexperienced in job applications.
One of the important skills I would be looking for in a recruit would be the ability to express themselves clearly, concisely, and persuasively. Clarity and conciseness are marks of the ability to think. Persuasiveness is actually something that makes me suspicious, but in many jobs the ability to persuade others is an asset (leadership positions, for example). So YMMV.
I've always struggled with conciseness; I'm in love with the sound of my own voice.
In some industries (or academia) a 20 page resume listing every project, publication, patent, etc. is considered normal and desirable. If could be that case.
I feel like one page is enough unless you have a truly remarkable career. At this point my earliest roles just don’t earn their keep; no one cares any more that I was a Micro Computer Support Specialist in undergrad.
all right, i am guilty of that. my resume has 5 pages, but it is split up in clear sections that i can easily remove if appropriate:
page 1:
general objectives
current occupation
summary of the most important or interesting skills and projects
page 2:
skills (that's the list of all tech i ever worked with. just the names, no details. only the most important ones are bold.)
work history (list of companies, dates and titles)
page 3:
education
detailed work experience (that's a long list of every project i ever worked on, and the role i had there, split up in multiple subsections that i can include as appropriate)
software development
sysadmin work
page 4:
mentor and teaching experience
presentations and workshops
page 5:
organizing events
experience working with kids (that i only include for relevant ed-tech or training jobs)
so technically, you could stop reading after page 2. and only scan the rest if you want more details.
do you think it would be better to just skip the project list? i think it's better than a list of projects on github (which wouldn't have any of the interesting projects)
From what I've seen, a few things that could be helpful are:
- Skip the objective, they are often really generic so people have become accustomed to just skipping ahead rather than reading carefully.
- Presentations and workshops, especially if they are at bigger conferences, could be worth highlighting for more senior roles.
- Education is good to keep just in case there is some kind of automatic filtering.
Personally I have an extended version of my resume that has every job / project written out (that I plan to keep adding to over time), but when I submit a resume I pare down the items to only the ones most relevant to the role.
> do you think it would be better to just skip the project list?
Hey, I'm not a specialist in this stuff - I've tended to stay in the same job until it became impossible for some reason or other, so I haven't applied for that many jobs. But I was hitched to a careers consultant for 15 years, whose core trade was advising students on how to write résumés. Its only purpose is to get you an interview; if you drop your pants in the résumé, then there's nothing left for the recruiter to be curious about.
A résumé is a concise overview of your education and career. If you feel you need to describe your objectives and attitudes, or expand on some major achievement, I think that belongs in your covering letter - which can be an essay of sorts (but I keep mine short). The covering letter is tailored to the firm you are applying to. The résumé can then be boilerplate, so you can use the same résumé for each firm you apply to; only the covering letter is customised.
I treat the résumé as a sort of teaser. The covering letter has all the stuff about "If I can't get a job with your firm I'll have to kill myself, because no other employer will do" (no, please don't say anything like that!). But even the covering letter should not be more than two sides of paper. I'd stick to one side. If your concise pitch doesn't get you an interview, then doubling the length isn't going to improve your chances.
Self-testimonials are a waste of space, if your recruiters are any good. For example, "I am a good team player" is worthless, unless you can provide evidence, such as "In my present position I mentor new recruits, and provide training courses for my colleagues". And I think that kind of stuff belongs in the covering letter.
Again, I stress that I'm not a master of these matters. And most of my experience is based on UK hiring; I think puffing yourself up is more expected in the US tech marketplace. I've had one job in the USA, and I think I probably undersold myself that time.
well, the first page is more or less the cover letter. and i do adapt that depending on the job.
hiding the list of projects for the sake of having material in the interview seems to contradict the idea that people want to see my projects on github.
either they do want to see projects or they don't. the project descriptions aren't detailed, and definitely less than a github project. so there still is plenty to talk about.
and i prefer interviews to be about things that can't easily be put in writing. spending the interview talking about historic facts feels like a waste of time.
obviously as a candidate i can't choose what the interviewer wants to know, but by getting the facts out of the way, i feel like getting the freedom to talk about things that are actually interesting.
worse, if i am asked to share something about an interesting project, i might not know what to talk about because i don't know what the interviewer wants to hear. but if they have the list of projects they can skim it, pick one they find interesting and ask about that. at least that is how my thinking goes. i haven't actually been interviewed for some time, being more on the opposite side of the table.
as an interviewer i value these details because they allow me to find things to talk about. that is especially important with candidates who are not outspoken and may not be doing well answering open-ended questions. or they may just feel nervous, and not know what to say. the more i know about them up-front the easier it is for me to find something to talk about that they should be familiar with and ease them into the situation.
i agree that a long prosaic CV where it is difficult to find the things that the hiring manager is looking for is not helpful, but a list of projects which is effectively a kind of portfolio as an appendix should not be that.
maybe i should explicitly separate the project list from the CV, so that it doesn't look like the CV itself has 5 pages.
> skills (that's the list of all tech i ever worked with. just the names, no details. only the most important ones are bold.)
Only put down skills and technologies that you want to work with. I used to put Pentaho on my resume, even though it was the most frustrating thing I've ever worked with (before or since). A recruiter messaged me once about a Pentaho role, which I declined. I dropped Pentaho from my resume immediately.
> summary of the most important or interesting skills and projects
Aaand you can stop right there. Pages 2 and onward can be safely omitted.
That's way too much, even for a long career. Two pages is enough. The more resume there is, the more bullshit you have to read. The career history part should be a list of job-titles and dates, with a brief description of each role, noting any salient achievements. Many recruiters will set aside any resume longer than two pages.