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I totally disagree - he's demonstrating that what appeared to be the scientific consensus on several occasions in the past was completely wrong.


Exactly, it's like how the current scientific consensus is that the earth is round, but many enterprising individuals are busy trying to prove their theory that the earth is flat.


Do you think they should be suppressed?


Yes. I think clearly wrong and/or fraudulent people should not be held up as equals to experts. We have in fact learned some things in the last few centuries.


I must say I find it quite dishonest and hypocritical to use examples of theories which didn't impact humans' lives at all, or, if they did, only on the level of an individual -- to use these examples as a comparison with climate change. These beliefs have nothing to do with climate change which effects have already started being visible for decades now. This has nothing to do with medicine, it's biology, geology, meteorology. Hundreds of species are disappearing, sea level rises are undeniable, temperatures are rising as well and forest fires are increasing. These are facts.


Please remember the HN ethos of assuming good intent. I'd be interested in hearing the problem(s) you have with the parent post.


Twitter is not banning ads that contradicts "scientific consensus".

They are banning ads which contradicts the current scientific consensus on climate change.

Do you see the difference?


What's bad faith about it?


Several things, but to name one, none of those examples are actually representing “scientific consensus” (except for the margarine example, and medical science is notoriously tricky and subject to lots of noise and false signals).

Science didn’t even “exist” until the 1600s - well after the timeframes of nearly all of those examples. [0]

Your examples demonstrate “social consensus”, “religious consensus”, “proto-medical consensus”, but not “scientific consensus.”

[0]: a note that to say “science started at time X” is subjective, of course, but the modern formal framework of science is relatively new and putting it around the time of Isaac Newton’s Principia is probably a good rough guess.

I would not consider Galileo to be a representative of modern science, more of a precursor.


Whatever consensus you wish to call it, it was the consensus of those in power in society at the time that believed they knew the truth.

Galileo was a scientist whether scientist was a recognized term at the time or not. He made observations, and developed theories based on those observations. That's science.

George Washington's death was hastened by doctors who bled him, 200 years after 1600.

And how about Darwin's theories, Lysenkoism, Phrenology, etc.?


> Whatever consensus you wish to call it, it was the consensus of those in power in society at the time that believed they knew the truth.

Your definition here is an apt one, and your examples demonstrate this particular effect well.

My beef is that you framed them as 'examples of when the scientific consensus was wrong' when they do not demonstrate 'scientific consensus.'




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