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> Historically, this sort of thing ends only when the leader is killed.

Or Russia wins



They aren’t going to win. Their economy started with noticeable issues and has since been obliterated. Aggression wars against a weak opponent are remarkably expensive and Ukraine has received a significant amount of support (I’d estimate around 20b so far) whereas the ruble and Russian markets (bond, equity, and a large portion of export/import) have been nuked. They are running on fumes in a war that is projected to run for quite some time.


that's not going to happen. When they try to take a NATO country it's over for them. Possibly over for all of us.


It seems like Putin will only surrender after he's expended everything he's got, and among "everything he's got" includes several thousand nuclear missiles...


There are probably many people between Putin and the actual ignitors on ICBM rocket engines. This safety mechanism worked at least once.


>This safety mechanism worked at least once.

Generations ago. In essentially a different, more civilized world.


I'm sure that if they are the last man standing and all of Ukraine is turned into rubble soaked through with blood that they'll declare victory. But it won't amount to much.

Real people with power build they don't destroy. The likes of Putin only know how to kill and how to destroy.


I'm sure that if they are the last man standing and all of Ukraine is turned into rubble soaked through with blood that they'll declare victory.

For Russia, that may be an acceptable outcome. The last century and a half of Russian history has a large number of mass death events.


The phrase "for Russia" seems inappropriate. You mean for Putin. And... maybe? I'm not convinced. Even Stalin had to regularly kill off the people around him to maintain power.


> Real people with power build they don't destroy.

Citation needed.

This sounds nice but it's just a value statement.




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