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Now imagine these tools in the hands of communists.


Why would a person leave that reply? Unless people are supposed to read it and think "gosh, I guess fascism isn't so bad, after all", which I doubt was the intention, it seems pointless.


Generally that is the intention of whataboutism like this, or at least dog whistling to other people that think fascism aint so bad.


"they're the same picture"

Authoritarians pretty much all treat the public the same regardless of their ideological bent.


I think what you both really mean is "imagine these tools in the hands of authoritarians", it doesn't really matter if they're fascism flavored authoritarians or communism flavored authoritarians.


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This is pretty gross holocaust revisionism. Equating the Nazis to the people that were responsible for 7/10 Nazi casualties.

But hey, capitalist Russia today is a much nicer country than the USSR right? With lower infant mortality rates, higher literacy, better gender equity in things like pay or education?

McCarthy's spirit truly never left the public American psyche


> This is pretty gross holocaust revisionism.

Not really, no. The USSR has its own history of genocides, especially against muslim communities. And both USSR and the nazis were strongly opposed to any form of social protests: the nazis called opponents "terrorists" or "judeo-bolshevik", while the USSR called them "leftists" or "counter-revolutionaries" (see also: Cronstadt uprising, Makhnovtchina).

Let's not forget also that Hitler and Staline had an alliance at some point. There are quite a few differences between national socialism (nazism) and authoritarian communism, but they can't exactly be presented as opposites, as they occupy the same half (authoritarianism) of the political compass.

Disclaimer: i'm advocating for libertarian communism (self-organization, not bureaucracy). I believe defending tyrannical regimes in the name of communism does not help the cause. In fact, i would even argue the USSR killed all chances of communism when the Bolsheviks started slaughtering the real revolutionaries (anarchists and anti-authoritarian marxists alike), and that they never tried to go beyond the dictatorship of the proletariat which was presented as exceptional/temporary measures against counter-revolutionary activities on the road to communism (stateless, classless society). Having a central State dictating your life and bureaucrats overseeing your work is not communism: it's State capitalism (or as Mussolini called it referring to fascism: corporatism) at its finest.


Have you seen an actual Marxist-Leninist in the US? Do you even know anyone who could accurately describe Marxism-Leninism?

There are self-proclaimed Nazis and real brownshirt gangs like the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, and other all over America. https://www.adl.org/blog/following-demonstration-three-neo-n...

Right wing violence and extremism are the real world threat in America, and this has been true for decades.


"Right wing violence and extremism are the real world threat in America..." let me just ask you can you tell us how many people died in 2021 due to right wing violence and extremism? Meanwhile, in Chicago, "According to the department, 2021 ended with 797 homicides. That is 25 more than were recorded 2020, 299 more than in 2019 and the most since 1996. And there were 3,561 shooting incidents in 2021, which is just over 300 more than were recorded in 2020 and a staggering 1,415 more shooting incidents than were recorded in the city in 2019." https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2021-ends-as-chicagos-...




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