Eh, I hope it doesn't. Tipping needs to die out. I'd prefer to have the moving company pay the movers a living wage such that a tip would be unnecessary and politely refused.
Please don't confuse the restaurant industry where tips subsidize wages with the original idea of tipping as a sign of gratitude an thanks. A tip can be a meaningful and impactful way to say "You went beyond expectation, did an awesome job and I really appreciate it". Why would you not want that option?
Because it doesn’t actually work that way and it’s in no way an “option”. In reality tipping becomes expected and people withhold it when the service does /not/ meet expectation. That’s awkward and too confrontational for a lot of people so they’ll just tip anyways.
Personally I also find it exhausting to have to judge every single service I get. So I just tip a standard amount, there’s absolutely no feedback involved. So there is no point.
There are lots of downsides with very few upsides.
For situations where laws allow for sub-standard wages, such as restaurant wait staff, I agree with you. It's not really an option, it's exhausting, there's no point.
For situations that aren't codified into law like that, it can more legitimately be modulated according to how the service made you feel, from zero to "keep the change" to a couple bucks to sky's the limit.
The former should be solved by abolishing tipping. The latter should be solved by technology that's somehow as frictionless as cash.
> laws allow for sub-standard wages, such as restaurant wait staff
The law does not allow for sub-standard wages, however. If everyone stopped tipping today, wait staff would get the same minimum wage as any other job.
However, I think the point being advocated in this thread is that businesses should have to pay minimum wage (before tips). That said, it would be interesting how employers would respond if that was required by law - since removing tips would not save the employer any money, I wonder if that would result in less hiring.
You can see the results in states that have no tipped minimum wage, such as WA/CA/OR.
Generally, restaurant prices are higher (minimum $25 per meal per person without alcoholic drinks), but tipping is still expected by the waiters for waited service. Bottom line is waiters earn more money, but possibly fewer people can afford to eat out and maybe there are fewer waiters overall.
I dislike waited food service anyway, I much prefer to just buy at the counter and bus my own table, and it might result in more restaurants like that.
What are your thoughts about using a counter and self-bussing but the clerk faces a tablet at you with 3 large buttons: 18%, 20%, 25% ?
Not only will the personal service be minimal, but the only part you can even judge at that point is how well they took your order... who knows if something will go south! So it's clearly just about keeping menu prices artificially low.
I have always been able to choose “no tip”, along with those other options.
If it was not there, then depending on who I was with, I would either walk out or eat the cost and then never go back and leave a review that says they bait and switch pricing.
Tipping is about price segmentation / discrimination. Good for the seller, bad for the buyer.
Employers are obliged to ensure that employees they are paying below minimum wage because the employee gets tips get paid at least minimum wage including tips.
If an employee lets their employer know they did not earn enough tips to meet minimum wage, then the employer must pay them more to ensure they get minimum wage.
Also, in many jurisdictions of the US where the same minimum wage applies to traditionally tipped employees, the tipping dynamic has remained. For example in California, Oregon, and Washington, the cultural expectation is that customers will still tip waiters, even though the waiters are earning the same minimum wage as everyone else.
If businesses see their employees making more, you can guarantee that they will reduce wages. Because total compensation is the bargaining chip in this contract between employer and employee, and what determines demand for that job. When this happens, it hurts the people who are less advantaged in making tips. You can find plenty informartion on how gender, race, age and appearance play a huge factor in making tips.
Tipping at a restaurant is the only place where I would tip face to face. Maybe a valet but I avoid that like the plague too since you're giving your car to someone and no accountability. Name a few face to face tipping scenarios besides food and valet that is common? I'm seriously blanking on anything.
Maybe I'm a prude but I wouldn't tip for any of those services besides getting a hair cut. Need to add elevator driver and that guy in the bathroom who stands around and makes everyone uncomfortable.
Mainly because it gives perverse initiatives to pay employees less and tipping to be standard not unusual gratitude. Sometimes you can't have nice things because the way society collectively behaves.
I'd prefer to have the moving company pay the movers a living wage such that a tip would be unnecessary and politely refused.
Clearly, you have no idea of how the moving industry works. Everybody's a contractor of a contractor of a franchisee. The person who picks up your stuff is not always the person who delivers it.
When I move (frequently), I make sure to tip each person packing my stuff $50, each person loading my stuff $50, and the driver $100 for < 1,000 miles, or $200 > 2,000 miles.
Lifting and carrying and handling other people's prized possessions isn't an easy job. This is how I show appreciation when the job is done well.
>Clearly, you have no idea of how the moving industry works.
It's really no answer to say I need to understand how each industry works.
Why would I? And why should I? It's the government's responsibility to understand the nuances of, and regulate, each industry.
Do we really want to live in a world where consumers need to understand the detail of how each industry operates so they can ensure sub-sub contractors can be remunerated appropriately?
This is obviously a bit flame-y / unrelated / political.
Regardless of how you personally feel about US wages and the 20% I already prepaid for tip through the company to them, to be able to send money to others would be useful.
I'd be really interested to know what to properly call it, but IMHO this is the kind of thing that the market will never solve top-down because the structure of the relationship would never support it.
I think an on-the-ground solution that caters to the long tail would be the only thing that would basically survive. Everything else would succumb to social forces and basically just fizzle out.
AirDropping Apple credit could be an interesting pilot study, but I doubt Apple would do something like that sadly :/
I'd rather an industry standard payout, but the workers getting pay proportional to revenue is actually not a bad model. I just hate the analysis paralysis
